Overnerfed, yes... but insta saw needed removed
First, I think that the changes to Billy were overdone... but facing multiple billies today on live it’s clear they’re using up their insta saw addons and quite frankly I expect them to start getting absolutely bulllied when these changes take effect.
They have no idea how to loop, curve, etc... don’t even know the right time to take an M1 because they rely on their double charge speed addons to carry them.
Rant over, real billy players I feel bad for you but this is similar to nurse where people using broken addons brought at the notion and the devs overdid it
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Yes, addon changes would have been the right way (and enough) to ballance Billy. Just my opinion.
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Shame for using something in the game that makes it slightly easier. Like survivors don't have dead hard, medkits, invulnerability status, borrowed time, unbreakable, lithe, sprint burst. Let's forget all the things survivors have that makes it much easier.
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Oh absolutely. Instasaw was the ONLY broken thing about Billy.
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i agree. really the ONLY change i feel should of been done to basekit is a slightly longer stun on a missed chainsaw. other than that, the add ons were what needed to change. and changed so they were useful, but not overpowered, rather than most of them being useless or gimmicky, and a couple being actually helpful.
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Nurse was not overnerfed. Her power literally breaks the game, of course she should be extremely difficult to use.
Billy, however, has been unfairly decimated. His add-ons needed changed, but are now borderline laughable. And his base kit... Damn. That's bad. He is far from a game breaking, ignore-everything killer like Nurse. Now he's reverse Oni, only without the superior mobility and 1-shot.
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I agree, instasaw was the one thing that really needed changing, but Billy got the Nurse treatment with his "addon pass" and is now nowhere near as good as he was. Hopefully some changes get made to Billy before this update hits live servers but I doubt it.
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"Instasaw" is 36% faster than normal. Just fyi.
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I long for the day the words "add on pass" don't mean a total rework that's a heavy nerf. Bubba came out ok, but that's still a 66% rate of the add on pass neutering killers. Fix the problematic add ons, leave the base power alone.
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If only Insta saw and crack were changed, nobody would be upset
but thats not the BHVR style
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If you don’t wanna admit that’s a HUGE advantage you’re kidding yourself
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Honestly how could you make Bubba worse without outright admitting you hate your own game? He was never in trouble.
Anyone from the bottom getting an addon pass is fine. Anyone near the top might as well not exist afterwards.
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In my opinion only camping hillbikky had to be adressed. If they would make overheat bar go extremely fast if you revv your chainsaw so much but without affecting his movement he would be perfectly balanced
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we all talked about that carburator guide and space addons needed nerf, they were too strong and every billy main knows that, even primer bulb was kind of insane by its own and is just a yellow i mean that one and space is pretty much a cheaper version of crack billy so yep, even his brown addons are game changing but not that much as the green and yellow ones.
thats all they had to do against billy and no one would be so upset because a billy without those addons cant do those amazing curves, his chainsaw is not charged that fast and he doesnt move that fast neither, so without that it would really reward SKILL because is hard to catch GOOD survivors without all of that, billy without those addons is very loopeable but is what it is. sadly they are balancing the game for new players i will understand if now killers start de ranking or already doing it since they can dc without punishment to go aganst rank 20s. Sadly most billy will stop playing hi, you dotn see Nurse very often now because of the nerf and now you wont see many Billys even if already you wouldnt see him so often now is pretty much gonna dissapear. im feeling VERY sad.
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They not overdid the nurse. She can teleport through everything which leaves her the potential of ignoring everything in the game in a chase. Her ability has to be hard to play in order to balance it. If it would be easy everyone would play her again and the matches were too fun to play them.
But Billy hasn't an overkill potential of ignoring any rule in dbd. Basekit Billy was the perfect balance in dbd. Dbd hasn't much things which are balanced and still fun, with much couterplay, many tricks and possibilities. And the devs werre like back then when STBFL and Unrelenting got some dev love. Like a thunderstorm. Destroying the thing out of it.
And me as a veteran? I feel like the devs will choose to go their on way mostly. And I think if the changes go through like that I will quit dbd soon. Seriously. Because for me it's a sign of "We can do this Community, we know what's good for the game, trust us." And if they become this kind of developer I won't stay. Kinda sad, I always loved the devs for how they handled their game.
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I’m all for having things that make it easier, my favorite huntress addons lower the wind up time and give extra hatchets... balanced.
Ghostface recharge addons, clown extra slowdowns and duration, all of Doctors addons... make it easier and are all ok IMHO
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It's really good, but not instant. xD
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billy needed an add on rework, that we can all agree on.
however, what they did to him was too much.
i dont think the overheat should have eber been a thing in the first place, and if then only for those who literally facecamp with a 99% chainsaw.
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Don't worry they wan't get bullied. They'll simply drop the killer and switch to other alternatives.
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And what's the difference in a faster Huntress windup and a faster charge on a chainsaw?
That's right, no difference.
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"Insta-saw" is just a name for add-on combos like Tuning Guide + Primer Bulb or Thompson Mix + Tuning Guide. Nobody actually thinks it's instant, it's just a name.
It's also called other names as well, but most people refer to it as insta-saw for those add-on combos. It's like when Nurse had the "Omega Blink" add-on combos, it's just a quick nickname for others to instantly understand (no pun intended).
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One is harder to aim and does 1 health state of damage, the other instadowns a survivor
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The saw requires direct contact meaning there's a lot more counterplay. A hatchet only needs line of sight. I would say a fast Huntress is a lot more dangerous than a fast saw.
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Killers use more iridescent add ons than survivors
I switched over to killer cause this game is killer sided and I honestly believe that.
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BHVR removed the instasaw and removed the entire killer just for good measure.
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I living for all the comments of billy mains have a sook about it
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If insta heal only grayed out the medkit and didn’t delete it you’re right it would see a lot of use again.
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IMO all they needed to do was make the charge addons not stack 🤷♂️
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I agree instasaw was strong...but in a meta were everyone just gen rushes (don't even waste time healing up), having a killer that can instadown is valuable.
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Almost 100% agree. Except for the nurse part. Even her base kit was op. You will hear that from most killer DBD streamers as well. Was it the right way to nerf nurse? Probably not since she is still the best killer in the game, but just a lot more difficult to play. Where I would prefer if she was closer to a michael myers level instead of spirits level. In strength at least. Not for them to be equal. Just for the massiv gulf between some killers to be reduced. Like the strength difference between spirit/nurse/Freddy and like pig or legion is insane. If spirit nurse and freddy. Are played at their best and with their best addons and perks to suit their playstyles. Then most survivor teams will crumble and die before 3 gens get done.
If pig, bubba or legion is played at their best, with best perks and add-ons.....well they might get 4k. Its certainly possible. But its a lot, a lot more difficult not to say unlikely for their to be that many gens left. It happens dont get me wrong. But goddamn do you have to sweat in comparison.
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I feel like “gen rush,” could be a million page thesis. I’ve had multiple killers complain about gen rush the past couple days even Though they chased me into a zone of the map with ZERO gens, and actually ran past survivors actually working on a gen mid chase but stayed on me...
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Yeah, Nurse was not over nerfed, lol.
I played a game recently against one and she had all 4 survivors down within less than 2 minutes. She's still, by far, the best killer in the game. Her skill cap is so high that only a few people can play her luckily.
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Not my case tbh, if as a killer you chase someone that goes to a death zone you're not playing well as a Killer.
That is not incompatible with the fact that most games are super fast and gen progression when 2 people are working on the gen is too fast.
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