If ruin was nerfed for being overused why perks like ds,bt,sprint burst,dead hard aren't?

The Ruin change also caused a whole ton of other balance changes because reworking it exposes issues with other aspects of the game. The more common survivor perks like DS and BT would also require re-balancing other parts of the game if they were significantly changed. So until they figure out a way to fix those issues in a way that keeps both sides as happy as this community gets, they probably don’t want to change too much.

That's how things can run. If something in the game gets used at a very high rate, the devs look at it. Is it fair, balanced, fun for both sides. Does need a nerf, change, adjustment, QoL.

I mean look at Selfcare. It had a high usage rate but instead of changing it they nerfed the whole healing mechanic along with perk chan ges like slopper butcher. That's the same thing. And I believe Ds, Dh and what so ever has an similar usage rate like BBQ, pop, enduring, whispers, Corrupted.

And both sides has their perks which seem like fair to the owner side but not for the opponent. Like, are you sure survivors love pop goes the weasel? Or do you really think people love noed?, enfury? still ruin? And there are also many players who despites BBQ. Both sides have their perks which the other side don't like and would like to see a change.

if you ask me as a killer I would like to see changes to unbreakable, dead hard and the hatch spawning rules. And if you ask me as a survivor I would like to see some changes to noed, sloppy butcher and moris.

When asked they refused to either give the usage numbers for these perks(So we don't even know if that's true).

Nor would they answer how survivors' perks usage rates worked:

If its based on if there is one of said perk

Or

If its based on total people with said perk in any given game

Or

if it only counts gaves with a specific threshold of people using said perk.

All 3 of these would give wildy different numbers but the developers refuse to let us know which is used to count survivor's perk usage rate.

You can go a full game without using DS for a slew of reasons. Anti-tunnel perk that is on a cooldown... I see no issue.

BT is anti-camp and tunnel. Aka, if you don't play like a d-bag, you won't even be bothered by it. If someone unhooks in your face, maybe go for the unhooker?

Sprint Burst, and Dead Hard are good perks, but are easily countered and have their downsides.

A super try-hard survivor might have 3 of these perks maximum, but running two exhaustion perks in the same build is near pointless. Even in a game where multiple survivors are running DS, BT, + exhaustion perk, all the killer has to do is play around the assumption of DS/BT and remember who has which exhaustion perk. That's it. You have your own strong killer perks at your disposal in conjunction with killer power, moris, and add-ons.

Both sides have insanely strong build potential, but in the end it's up to the individual players to outplay each other using whatever they have at their disposal.

Wow I came here to be like "Oh @Almo hopefully that means you'll be looking at these survivors perks because their overuse might be a serious clue too" but you absolutely destroyed that with an impeccable presentation on why DS is bad and possible solutions. It's only one specific perk of the problem ones but I'd say it's by far the worst one tied with Dead Hard. Nice.

"i mean you can make the meta perks useless by not Tunneling, slugging or camping. why is that so hard to understand?"

Heres the thing people liked ruin because it meant you had time to play nice, had time to go after everyone, had time to not slug or camp unless it came down to the wire because of all the extra time ruin bought. You wonder why the meta perks are meta because it slows the killer down in a meta where every second matters being blanket immune for 60 seconds but also being able to pick yourself up is way too strong. My logic is that meta perks carry bad survivors now like it carried bad killers then. The difference between the good killer and bad killer then was tunneling with ruin the difference now is knowing when to tunnel because thats the new way to win.

Haven't you said recently that you haven't played in like 2 months?

this is completely wrong. Ruin was good at slow down but even before the rework a survivor could spawn right on top of it. it didnt even affect most survivors except newer ones because they could power through ruin by just hitting greats

Gen times have definitely been noticeably slowed.

Since ruin was changed killers were given less wiggle room blanket immunity for 2 minutes in matches that last 8-10 was much stronger then in 10-15 minute matches which is why people are saying they should get nerfed to reflect that matches go faster now.

Also while im at it if killers average 1 minute chases on mid tier killers its feesable to have a 12 hook game in 10-15 minute matches not in 8-10 because by the time you get around to the later hooks they are already escaping.

Survivors get so carried by the game being fast with second chance perks they have to add a mechanic to slow it enough to spread them to manageable levels.

sound like BS to me