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Why do killers get mad when I run strong perks?
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Why do survivors get mad when I run NOED?
What do want me to do? Get escaped with unrelenting?
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I don’t. I have a laugh at it.
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Sorry, looking for an actual answer instead a mad killer who can't apply gen pressure :)
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Thanks for taking your time and letting me know. I care so much.
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That was a real answer though.
Sorry, looking for an actual answer instead of a bad survivor who can't even loop and has to rely on second chance perks and getting carried by the time, while mostly using Adrenaline and complaining about NOED.
"ApPlY GeN PrEsSuRe" it's honestly sad people play only one side for literal thousands of hours while not touching other side, and just repeating what other people say. Go stream some red rank killer gameplay and let us see how you apply pressure.
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What makes you think that?🤗
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It's because us killer mains don't have many crutch perks, and when we do use them, we get harrased. It's just annoying survivors have so many, and I think that's why.
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What makes YOU think that?
Dude, you seriously don't see the flaw in your logic? You are not seeing what I am doing or getting at? Seriously what's with survivor mains....
"ApPlY GeN PrEsSuRe" it's honestly sad people play only one side for literal thousands of hours while not touching other side, and just repeating what other people say. Go stream some red rank killer gameplay and let us see how you apply pressure.
I play both sides and trust me, Survivor is easy mode and the game is heavily imbalanced.
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Well, if you are running multiple second chance perks, it can get a little annoying I guess. Chasing someone down only to have them deliverance in your face at the end of the game and unbreakable/DS'ing their way out involving little to no skill at all can be irritating especially if every survivor has it.
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Thanks for a good answer bubba. Killers, I agree should have stronger perks, or maybe maps should be... Fixed?
What makes you think I have thousands of hours🤗you still haven't answered me properly, bud.
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My answer and the bubba's are literally quite the same.
Now I want to see you apply gen pressure, if you even know what that means and not just read it somewhere and repeated it mindlessly.
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I don't remember you mentioning anything about perks 🤗
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Tunneling is the answer to gen rushing. Why is it okay for one side to focus their objective, but not the other?
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I play both sides, and I think killer is easy mode. I get a 4k almost every time easily. Also, apply gen pressure is super easy. Get good at chases, down survivors, get early hooks, slug sometimes. Only hook if theres no one around, and always use infectious. Slug as much as you can. Getting two slogans and that only one person is on gens at most. I personally think that the game is in its most balanced state. It takes skill to win on both sides. Just GIT GUD.
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Survivors love to complain whenever the killer runs something they don't like.
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why do survivors get mad when i run freddy with bbq,pop,sloppy,noed?
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Do you mind proving that? Red rank streaming killer gameplay? I want to learn from you.
Not holding my breathe.
/e: his talk about infectious makes me laugh too, do you really play killer? Wow, infectious so OP!
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Little child with absolutely no clue how to discuss like an adult. Typical survivor main.
Why even post if you don't want people to respond? Oh wait, you want people to say "yeah you are right!" just like you want killers to use perks you want, play the way you want, and let you escape all games? Entitled selfish spoiled kids with no consideration to the killer as a human being and his fun, no wonder daddy BHVR caters to them.
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Depends on if I feel like it. I really only play killer for bloodpoints. I personally find it boring as its so easy. I play clown more than my main(billy) now since he got too easy. Also not a red rank killer. Haven't been for a long time either. As I said, I only play it for points. I do stream occasionally, but most of my time goes into #########, low quality videos lmao. But seriously, I don't really play killer anymore. My rank has been reset to grey. That makes me hate killer even more. I just find it even more easy. Funny thing is though, matchmaking is so bad that I still go against a lot of red ranks.
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Some of this is relevant, but always use infectious? A single perk shouldn't be required on every killer, but it is. There is a reason you see every game is BBQ + Pop + Corrupt + insert perk here
The problem is the current meta is genrushing. Its basic math. Early game doesn't exist.
Look at it this way.
Match starts, survivors and killers typically spawn on opposite sides of the map. As a killer, i immediately run to the other side of the map where survivors spawn ( i have 1000 hours so it's generally easy for me to know exactly where everyone spawned). Depending on the map size, it takes 20-30 seconds to walk to that point. Assuming survivors all spawn apart (which they typically do), its probably going to take them around 10 seconds to find a gen. Let's say it's a small map.
10 seconds to find the first survivor. they run and hold W.
Takes 15 seconds to catch up to them (all they are doing is holding W) I hit them.
Take another 15 seconds to catch up to them (again, just holding w) i down them.
Take a couple of seconds to pick them up watching for flashlight/pallet saves.
Take another 5 or so seconds to walk to a hook.
Another second or 2 to hook and get my bearings.
Now lets do that math.
10 seconds + 15 seconds + 20 seconds + 3 seconds + 5 seconds + 2 seconds
10 + 15 + 15 + 3 + 5 + 2 = 50 seconds
Now, a killers power can slow this down depending on the killer, but survivors also have pallets and such they can go to, which i didn't even address yet.
Now, factor in that walk speed walking to another generator, and you have most likely lost 2-3 gens (if survivors smashed them immediately, which at thousands of hours played they all do).
Now factor in that if the survivor can loop, find a pallet, a window. All of which, if they are unsafe, will add maybe 5 - 10 seconds to a chase (for the mindgame), or add another 20 if it is a safe pallet.
If you do the basic math, you see that early game doesn't exist. There is a reason ruin was strong and used so often, because it was the only perk in the entire game that addressed this problem and slowed down the early game. Corrupt does not address this problem because survivors will often either wait out the timer or just hammer the gens anyway, maybe instead of losing 3, you only lose 2. This is not to say survivors are OP. Once that first hook is down, pressure is getting applied and the game starts to naturally slow down. But until that early game is addressed, i have no options.
This is why i'm a nurse main, because those 2 15 second halves of the chase become 5 seconds and means survivors might not complete 60% of their objective in the time i complete 8% of mine.
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That's all okay but you can't say "ez 4 kills" and "git gud" when you play against low ranks survivors.
Get high rank at both sides then come and honestly tell me killer is easy mode, this is very laughable no offense.
P.S: not all red ranks survivors are equal too, a lot are boosted.
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The "crutch perks" are used to counter killers playing scummy. They wouldn't be as popular if not for that. But as to you're other point, survivors need to stop bitching about Noed.
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Thats true. Thats why killer is so easy.
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Whoa...there are still nurse mains? I thought you kind was extinct. Lmao. On a serious note though, the reason why you should always use infectious is because it counters flashlight saves, and if someone is actually there, you should slug. Three people at most are off gens. One chased, one slugged, and one healing the slug. At that point, the game is slowed down by at least 75% by two chases. Thats why I call killer easy mode.
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Because its a broken build.
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You can't judge when you are playing like 1 killer match in 6 months. Different games are high ranks as well.
Regardless, even in low ranks survivor gameplay is way much easier. Are you a low rank survivor too?
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How is it broken or any more broken than typical meta-survivor builds?
Because it's not "fun" for you?
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math doesn't lie. Optimal survivors will always beat optimal killers. The problem is, most survivors aren't optimal. I know, i 4k in probably 9/10 games i play. And i don't disagree that it is hard. But as soon as you go against a SWF depip squad, you are gonna lose, every time.
The point i am making is that at the highest level of play, survivors are OP. This is why they need to balance the game beter.
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I don't believe your statistics (9 out of 10 game, yeah right) at all. Stream some (10) high level killer games.
SWF is more prominent than any of you think. I would say 1 in 3 games is SWF.
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Let me break it down for you.
Freddy, a already strong killer at base being able to shut down loops, and having good generator pressure with slow down and detection perks. Running a build like that will at least guarantee a 3K. That build is clearly busted especially on a killer like Freddy.
And yeah, the build isn't fun. Its frustrating and annoying to play against. Go in a match against forever freddy and try to enjoy it.
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Right. But thats a level almost no one is at. And optimal survivors should beat optimal killers. Its a four v one. Equally optimal players in this game means survivors win. Luckily for killers though, most survivors are potatoes.
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All that does not make it "broken" and does not give you the right to judge the killer for using it when you have 16 crunch perks per game.
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No I'm rank one survivor. I do play killer at least once a week. But not enough to keep my rank.
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It DOES make it broken. No matter what you'll always die against this build unless the Freddy is absolute garbage. Crutch perks for survivor won't matter when the team will be slugged and suiciding on hook because they know they won't escape.
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Do you honestly believe killer, even at high ranks, is "Easy mode" compared to survivor, especially when you are playing survivor at high ranks?
Get out of here my dude. To each his own I guess, but you seem biased to survivor role.
Like I said though, get to high ranks on both roles and then decide.
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It does not make it any more broken then a baby survivor with DS, Adrenaline, Unbreakable, Self-Care/Inner-Strength (I did not even take count for exhaustion perk!), and a little Borrowed Time touch. Now multiply it by four.
There are a lot of counters to slugging, even just now they added a perk for Cheryl. Low survivors with little brainpower lose to slugging.
BUT, honestly I do agree with you Freddy is a no skill high reward killer. Still, how is it any worse than four crutch-perked survivors?
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It doesn't make it anymore broken but most of those perks won't affect the killer what-so-ever when using that build on a already strong killer.
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I don't agree at all.
Play Freddy with that build and report back. He can be escaped, he is only deadly against noob survivors.
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Not really. I think that survivor is way more difficult. You rely on your teammates, who could quite possibly be potatoes. I simply find killer easier. Thats my opinion. Although I am new to both roles, this game is simply too easy. And I find killer easier.
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Feel like this OP is pretty hypocrite.
So Killers shouldnt use their strong perks like noed but survivors should? If you truly beluve that then you are very entitled.
I only say that survivors shouldnt use their strong perks when they complain about my perks. Because i hate hypocrites.
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I shared your opinion when I was a new player too.
The thing is, for killers to win you have to go against a team of potatoes (as you put it) survivors who make dozen of mistakes and don't even have common sense.
But once you reach high ranks as survivor you should be ranked with good survivors. Also, most survivors you face as a killer on high ranks are organized SWF with voice communications or just solo queued who have common sense, that's why killer role is more difficult.
Honestly I play solo survivor and share your pain, but that's not to say it's because the game is not survivor-sided or "balanced", it's just survivor mode attracts casuals more and they make lots of mistakes.
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Well I guess I have really bad luck as survivor, as around 80% of my teammates are idiots.
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Also rank doesn't really correlate skill.
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I actually edited my post but will put it here again:
Honestly I play solo survivor and share your pain, but that's not to say it's because the game is not survivor-sided or "balanced", it's just survivor mode attracts casuals more and they make lots of mistakes.
And I know ranks does not correlate skill, but I am saying as a high ranked killer most of the games are pure hell because you rarely ever go against clueless potato survivors.
Like I said, spend some time playing killer (it's actually fun and makes you a better DbD/Survivor player) at high ranks and report back.
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This discussion should just be closed. OP never had any intention of having an actual conversation.
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I reported him already and like I said, a child with no ability to communicate like an adult.
But hillbillyclaudmain69 was willing to discuss and I complied.
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Yeah was reading what they were saying. Childish indeed.
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you can't say that build "guarantees" anything. What happens when that freddy goes up against a competent swf with ds,unbreakable,adrenaline,sprint burst? Dont worry ill tell you, he will lose. most killers will.
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You actually answered your own question by replying like this.
”Apply gen pressure” or in other words: get good
By relying on 2nd chance perks for example, the killer could make the same argument. And just like you just did about NOED sometimes killers leave a complaining or criticizing remark.
The survivors’ strong perks and the killers’ strong perks are practically the a different side of the same coin because they’re usually 2nd chance perks. And more often than not, you don’t have to work for your 2nd chance hence why some people get frustrated. Imo every single 2nd chance perk should have some form of drawback in the sense you would need to work for it, especially because they’re so strong.
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That means that the game is inherently unbalanced. This is a terrible argument for why they shouldn't fix this game. If chess was imbalanced at high level play and white won 80% of games, but at low level play black won 80% of games, do you think chess would have lasted as long as it has? If they don't fix this, this game will have no staying power.
It sucks for everyone in it's current state. You are right, it's a level very few people are at, so the game sucks to most survivors who think killers are OP. But at the top level play, there is nothing you can do as a killer to beat top level survivors who play perfectly. No matter how perfect you play. This sucks for killers.
What they need to do is tweak the game. Nerf looping/pallets/windows, in some way that affects only high level players but not low level players who are gonna get hit anyway.
Personally i'd like to see that the game has a large number of pallets in a map, but all of them are extremely unsafe.
This video in general is really good and i'd recommend it, but this part right here is a perfect example of nerfing something that is really good at high level play, but terrible at low level play.
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