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Is Carl the cashier related to Jeff?
Carl the cashier worked in a hardware store in the Ghostface reveal trailer, where he was killed.
He was a portly, bearded man with a ponytail.
Spoilers for Tome 3:
Now in the cinematic concluding Julie's (Legion's) "Soldiers of Mayhem" lore, we have a a portly, bearded man with a ponytail working as a cleaner in a hardware store. Now this person is the Legion's first kill, stated by their original character lore, and was highly implied to be Jeff Johansen's father.
So is there a reason for the resemblance?
A. Is Carl Jeff's father? The trailer never explicitly shows Ghostface stabbing him with the hunting knife, and it's definitely Legion's favoured weapon too. Could it be Ghostface just happily left Carl alive and what we see is his death at a different time from the Legion's attack? Unlikely.
B. Is Carl Jeff's uncle or brother? Possibly. The family resemblance (3 heavy-set men with long dark hair) is a good basis, but the fact that both Carl and Mr. Johansen both work in hardware shops seems like more than coincidence. It's my opinion that Carl Johansen worked in the family business alongside his brother, Jeff's dad, or he is Jeff's brother and works their following his father's death, only to be killed by a DIFFERENT mask-wearing, hunting knife-weilding psychopath.
Edit: C. Carl is Jeff's father, but as we see in the "Observations" there is a multiverse, different worlds called "Terra ###." In one world, Carl is killed by the Legion, this is where the Entity takes them, and Jeff. In a different world, he is killed by Ghostface. The implications of this are that there must be an alternate reality where Carl is still alive and can be a survivor.
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I doubt it's Jeff's father considering Jeff was taken years after the legion.
Legion was taken recently after finding their identity as the legion. Meaning it had only been maybe a week or two since Julie came up with the name Legion that they were snatched.
Jeff painted the mural for Frank meaning he painted this in the interval between Julie coming up with the name and vandalizing Joey's old job.
If Jeff's father was the cleaner Jeff would have still been in Ormond by the time his body was found.
However it's quite evident that just spent a couple of years outside of Ormond before the news of his father came back to him.
Conclusion I think a lot of people jump to the assumption that the legions first kill was Jeff's Dad.
Honestly it wasn't the first time someone jumps to conclusions when it came to Legion especially considering everyone was under the impression that they were one split personality killer
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I'm more in favour of the theory that the devs forgot they mentioned him in Jeff's lore and in rewriting the origin story in the archives missed the point that they were called the Legion long before.
Most notably, the archives lore basically has Julie declare them the Legion right on the way out the door to kill the man, in which case there's no possible time for them to go; "Well, we're the Legion now, quickly let's go hire an artist to paint a mural in the clubhouse THEN we'll go trash the place that fired you."
It was also around the time that the devs put more into having the survivors and killers be a little bit linked, like Adam moving to and teaching in Japan to be linked to the Spirit.
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Even if you disregard the archives lore it doesn't change the fact that Jeff was taken by The Entity years after the legion.
While the Legion are all teenagers around 16 to 19. Jeff is clearly in his late 20s maybe even early 30s. The original lore also makes it pretty impossible for it to be Jeff's father
The only linking factor is the fact that Jeff was commissioned by Frank. Once again many wrong assumptions have been made about the legion. Jeff's father is one of them
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"Many wrong assumptions."
In your opinion.
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The in your opinion doesn't really work.
The cleaner of being Jeff's father makes sense if you just had a mild quick read of both their lore but the second you actually pause to think about a lot of holes start getting brought up.
In fact a lot of people initially thought that the sound Frank heard was Jeff by your logic that idea is just as valid. Because it makes sense if you just quickly skim the lore but not if you actually think about it
1) Time difference- when Jeff does the mural he is roughly the same age as the legion members. Worst case scenario he's pretty much Frank's age. Him being taken by The Entity many years later at which stage he is roughly in his early to mid-30s.
2) There is no way he would get a casual call about his dad passing away if his body was randomly uncovered and he was a lost cold case.
3) After seeing what his dad had left him he decided to stay for a while. He only went up the mountain after he had begun reminiscing of the seeing his old High School. He only went up the mountain because he remembered his first commission not because it's where his dad was found. He even got a 12-pack to remember the commission payment that Frank gave him.
4) none of Jeff's actions mirror somebody who is dealing with a murder investigation they mirror somebody who's dad passed due to natural causes.
As for the other multiple assumptions
* The Legion being one single split personality killer was disproven pretty quickly.
* The Legion are fused until one body and whoever has the dominant presence is the one who takes control and enters the trial. The devs have said multiple times that the Legion are four individual people and they also hang out with each other when not in trials disproving this.
* as I mentioned before Jeff being the sound that Frank heard really doesn't make sense.
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I think it's very unlikely since ghostface is from California.
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Yes, I hear nobody in the US has ever been to Canada.
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Lol i Just think this theory it's kinda far fetched, Just because because they are similar it doesn't mean they are related.
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You're wasting time try to explain holes in the theory.
They don't want to budge from it.
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I'm a Jeff main
I nut to this
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Honestly, I think it's unlikely there is any ties to Jeff and Carl. I could be wrong but I think the fact that in Jeff's lore, he had left Ormond, only coming back when news of his father dying, but also to pick up something that was left for him by his father. In the Legion's cinematic they kill him impulsively, when in Jeff's bio it's implied that his father merely just passed, and had time enough to write a last will and testament. Honestly to me anyway it just doesn't really add up
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