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Killer viewer lobby app
Apparently after more and more games as killer against swf that have specific perks and items that heavly counter the killer that i picked. I started picking only trapper and switching it to killer i wan't to play last sec before the game start. Since i started doing that more and more players get in game with nonmeta perks but ususaly with the ones that can counter trapper heavy(OoO as main perk got spike with usage in my games drasticly).
But there is one more problem i if switch to different killer maybe few sec latter and survs sees that they usualy dc in while game is loading. This is not coincidence once or twice i can be, but 5 or 6 times in a row can not be coincidence! Not to mettion that more and more dcing in the loading phase when i switch killer last sec.
Also offerings that i have on other killers when i switch them in the lock phase do not get burned.
So questions for devs:
1) Since you have servers does surv players have excess to them so that they can see killer in the lobby? If so why killer can't see their perks? And will you punish that kind of cheating?
2) Since players that play killers can't get their offerings burned when they switch killers last second in order to avoid cheating advantage, will you fix that or killers are doomed to play without offerings for now on?
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Yes there is an app that lets people see the killer and people will dodge if you do a last second switch.
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there used to be a way to see that in the logs but it's patched already since Silent Hill was out.
also I got a friend who always runs spine chill and calm spirit to counter half of the killers in general.
and then me, I'm lately running OoO almost every match to try getting better at chases, I faced many people running it too since rank reset and I wasnt playing freddy
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I am not saying about spine chill. I am saying about items and specific perks for some killer. And increase dcing while game is loading if i switch last sec kill. Sometimes i simply go afk while looking for a game and don't switch killers and in that games noone dc but perks or items are runned for countering. And i am saying specific for some killers. Trapper OoO everytime i use him as a bati OoO pop out and That player is usualy bad at evading killer like some main OoO players. Them hag 4 team flash lights. And so on. I can say just bad luck but here you can see a patter from massing usage also there is an app that enable you to view killer in the lobby which is a hack and should be punishable. Like game is not already hard for killer if you are good surv now they can legit have counter hacks. Cz of things like that when i play surv more and more killer simply tunnel of facecamping and they don't even look for points anymore all they care is to make some kill or make game bouring for other surv cz of broken balance that is now even helped with hacks?
Also devs could fix offering burnings for last second killer switching since that is only way to counter that app atm.
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k first is not an app but everyone believes it is, it used to be able checking the logs you had to scroll and find whatever numbers then match some you couldnt select with a list, my mate who dislikes spirits used to check them and now he coonfirmed he cant anymore. It's definitely patched.
then, I dont believe every match you play trapper there's OoO.
survivors do quick change to hide flashlights and keys so the killer dont bring franklins, this is also a common thing in SWFs.
if they already checked you before they wouldnt do it 2 times, and during the loadiing screen they dont have enough time you can see the time it takes in the frst line.
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I am not saying every game. Not every game is there lobby dcing. Also i know survs knows to hide flashlights but this time i am seeing them preparing for lets say hag killer and i fast change to other one. After that they are angry in endgame chat and i clearly see their perks to counter hag killer or some other killer that was set for bait. I don't play trapper i bait them with trapper.
While i leave killer for whole duration dcing is almost 0 and if i have stealty killer in the game OoO is almost 0. I am playing both sides and i know how survs act especially swf. When they come solo or swf they usualy run meta perks. But now they somehow geting nonmeta right perks for a right killer(with really high right guess chances). After seeing that i found that survs can see killers in the lobby that there is a way for it.
During the last sec game starting they can't change perks cz of time and locking of the perks but they then simply dc so that game get canceled. All that is at rising then before.
So in total i am not saying every surv is a cheater but there is something going on and the existance of a way for cheating should be fixed and cheaters banned.
And also offering won't work if i fast switch killers.
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it's like finding out a way to play in very easy instead of easy mode.
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It was not removed. They just tried to obfuscate the information. But it can still be found if you know what to check for. And there is an "app". Actually, just a python function. There is a version you can run on demand to spit out the killer in the lobby and a more advanced version that will update in real time in case the killer changes it.
Definitely shouldn't be posting links to anyone doing it. This should be an exploit that is immediately patched out, not something we should be spreading around. But it's unfortunately easy to retrieve the method if you want to do it.
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Dude, just last week I had two poeple saying to me what killer we are facing. And these are just the idiots that tell it to randoms. I dont even wanna know, how many survivor actually use this kind of cheat. But anyways, it's 100% not patched as of know.
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I am complain since how is that possible to do while games are hosted on servers? Second to do last sec switch you need to be whole time in lobby waiting for a match and to keep track of it. Also offerings won't burn if i am doing last sec switch.
So in the end i am glad for being able to counter that but also that does not mean cheaters should be allowed to have chill games for getting unfair advantage. Some killers don't know about that and getting stomped by some surv simply cz they get prepared that in the end produce toxic killers (as one of the problem) then toxic killers produce toxic survs and so on.
Also as i mentioned before offerings using that last sec switch won't get burned in the game so killers have to play without offerings
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How is that making the game easier? Survivors SHOULD NOT know what killer they're facing before the match starts. It's THEY who're making it EASIER to play knowing what they're facing and equipping the perks to properly counter it.
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Well i didn't have surv telling to randoms but i could see on both side. Usually when i play surv those people get down pretty much fast since they probably have been running meta perks before that. And when i ask them in end game chat ######### are those perks they usually say i thought it would be x killer.
As a killer i can even more clearly see the change in surv behavior and change of meta perks. And when i started using last sec killer switch tactics dcing and strange perks went of the roof! Like i would only see on survs that don't have meta perks or using to troll, but none of that were the case. They tried their best to surv with missed perks if they don't dc before that. I mean you simply start to see those things and then when you look into the problem you get that there is a way for seeing a killer. So i don't know what is the wait for fixing that?
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I thought that was fixed. I know there were two different programs. One just showed who the killer was, and the other was FAR more invasive and showed what perks they were running once the match started, totems and pallets remaining, survivor status, etc.
AFAIK both programs method of working (accessing the log files) was patched and I think they even handed out bans for people using it (although the bans were rapidly reversed. I guess because the program technically didn't inject anything or modify game files, so maybe banning for what was mostly an issue on BHVR's end for it even being possible was deemed heavy-handed?) I asked the creator of program B (Turns out program B was basically a hobby project of his.) and he claimed it was fixed when the silent hill chapter went live.
Is there some third program I am unaware about? Again, the main mechanism-of-action for programs A and B (I'm not giving names) was patched and I can't see there being any other method to do this without going into modifying game files/injecting code and if someone's going to do that, they might as well go all-out and use blatant cheats.
Either way if there is another program, I am hoping it is quickly fixed because it's definitely an unfair competitive advantage and basically allows survivors to "Streamsnipe" any killer. Doctor? Calm Spirit. Spirit? Iron Will. Plague? Resilience and no medkits. Trapper? Small Game.
On a side note, I find it rather amusing survivors are complaining about killer's lobby dodging yet are using a program to dodge killers they don't want to face. + quick-switching has gone full-circle, now killers have to pick a "decoy" killer like Clown only to swap to Doctor or Spirit at the last moment, just like how survivors swap from Baby Dweet to P3 Legacy Flashlight Claudette.
EDIT: Apparently there IS a third program. Good news is apparently the latest PTB encrypts the log files entirely meaning the program will be dead as a doorknob once the PTB is pushed to live.
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Add to that really coordinated and good swf even without that they can easily outrun the killer for the duration of 5 gen, now think if they get even that advantage. Really good toxic ground for new toxic killers and therefore for new toxic survs...
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The method the more invasive program used was patched but there's a new method for finding out who the killer is in the lobby by checking what the log file says about cosmetics being loaded.
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Yep. The one I've just seen was "sadly" (Good riddance!) patched as of the latest PTB apparently (Logs are encrypted entirely).
So it won't have long to live, although I feel other programs will crop up.
On a side note, apparently cheaters are rejoicing over cross-progression/cross-platform as it'll make it easier to "Launder" cheated progress/legacy. I am concerned about this.
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And offerings like pudding for points won't get burnded if killer need to last second switch...
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So? It's their own fault for exploiting the game, for all I care they just ######### themselves.
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So what? They are causing their doom. That's what you get for exploiting something in the game. It should be bannable but if you lose a game because the killer changed his character, hence your exploit didn't work, you really got what you deserved. Simple as that. That's not making games easier for killers, is making hard for dumb people who need some kind of advantage (besides many others) to win.
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Or maybe this exploit shouldn't exist in the first place? Even if 6 second swapping can throw them off, you shouldn't even need to do that.
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Noone blames your tip. But many killers don't know about it and add that some swf derankers with that advantage and new killes will have almost every bad game therefore they will start using only tactic to get some satisfaction that is facecamp, tunneling and so on. Should mention that there were stretched resolution exploit also? Which again is question did they fixed it. All that cheating resultion in only two ways, people stop playing and toxicity rise up.
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This morning I played trapper 3 times and got Object of Obsession every match, plus some maps here and there... Pathetic players.
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I'm pretty sure you overestimate the amount of people using things like that as if to counter the fact that you lost a match. I've played with loads of survivors and friends, spoken to a bunch of them but not once have I ever heard of this app. I'm not too surprised it exists but I think the amount of people using it is likely less than 5%
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Just pick killer you don't want to play and have some good countering perks to bait survs. Then switch the killer at 9th sec before game starts loading. I use traper cz OoO saves me time to look for survs and usualy can down them really fast.
But the problem is still that offering won't burn in the game if you last sec swtich killer. Which devs still didn't answer on this nor on other topic from this tread. Wonder will they ever fix that...
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Well i don't know how many friends you have but i heard for this cheat and some changes in their behavior is confrming that. Also bunch of people are confrming that it is existing. Now who said i lost those mathces? I never said everyone using it i just said that dcing and conter perks for bait is at rising! As i said i using to bait them but this doesn't change a fact that some survs using to cheat. I like when they waste perk slots and get OoO so that i can track them faster. But on lower ranks killers usually gets bullied by deranking survs and with unfair advantages.
Judging From your comment i can only think that you use it too so that you are trying to lower the numbers or fact that this cheat exist. Ignoring that many here has confirmed the strange behavior and unnatural guess rate for killer counter perks.
Also cheat is cheat if some side can see other then other should see too or they should fix it asap and enable killers ot get their offerings burned in last sec change.
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It's more like a cheat than anything else, they want to know the killer .
Hope that their will be some ban
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Yeah I mean I heard they patched out something of this nature. Not sure if it's true but I've seen less spine chill as a gf main so that's worth something ig.
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Well hard to ban them cz you can only guess if they using it or not. But on the other hand statistically you can see diference with killer baits in the lobby that something is off. And in games if you don't know about it.
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As far as I'm aware, the program you're talking about hasn't worked since the Silent Hill patch. So unless you've got proof, this issue has been solved already.
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Just invent a block list for killers with 3 slots for everyone. Either they take advantage of the logs, dc or suicide on first hook, pissing off the 3 remaining survivors. That isn't a good game for anyone, so it's better to have a higher que time than a destroyed game.
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I found it from a russian hackers that program and it's cheat i reported to the devs about the program and send them the files so it'd help them to investigate and have ability to block people(cheaters) to access to these things
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Read comments bellow that are talking about randoms telling which killer is in the lobby after silent hill chapter.
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And then some survs come and say no proof no cheat... And others can clearly see changes in the games whille others have randoms bragging about it.
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They simply want to experience DBD's Story without the hassle of combat.
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I haven't say this is gonna be easy to detect but like a anti cheat can detect external cheat i believe he can detect the app
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There are evidence that ea have flaws with detections. This post should at least rise awareness of it so that it gets investigated even more.
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No but it seems like a massive excuse. Like the people that complain because the survivors were good so say it's not their fault, they got unlucky they went against a SWF. If people accept that they make mistakes in-game and it's not always an issue with other survivors then they will actually start getting better
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First i didn't coplain while i got swf with non meta counter perks. But when i saw they get perks strictly for some killers and i last second switch it. Many of them started dcing when i started doing last sec switch and the ones that did not dc played with at least 1 useless perk. So no excuses just facts! And then after some investigations i got info about that lobby viewing app, which as you can see i am not the only one that has same experience.
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That would defeat the purpose of even logging, the purpose of logs is debugging and if you're just putting random info in there, why even log anything.
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You're saying that as if that isn't the entire point lol.
Regardless I was mostly joking. I have no idea how the system works. My hypothetical fix is more a spiteful dream than a serious suggestion.
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Soooo much of my overestimating the numbers. Later i even have more speed and scratch mark hakers increased in my game as a killer! And god knows how many survs have with killer viewing additional hakcs... Almost every third game i have some random bragging about it...
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