Ghostface mains.

He'd almost certainly be OP in that case

If I've been able to stalk someone for long enough that I have them marked, generally that means they had no idea I was watching them. I suppose you could argue that they should keep a better eye on their surroundings but ultimately I do think they deserve some kind of an indication that I'm watching them.

Generally too if I have you marked, it's already too late to get away anyway :D

worthless change. Most of the times Myers one-taps the survivors, before that you can't have any knowledge about his stalking rate. If you see somebody going instantly down you know Myers has T3, then you can just start a countdown.

Ghost mace not crusty

Then let me elaborate a bit more. The stance doesn't change, there's no cue to the Tier being changed, and his Terror Radius does not increase during Tier lll. The same issues could still apply to what you said, but the point of this post wasn't to really mention what happens AFTER the first person gets downed, just the first person being downed.

This reminds me of the new perk Trail of Torment. The devs said the reason they wanted to show the yellow gen highlight was because survivors wouldn't have any idea that something had happened. If you took away the info you get from GF he would be boring. You would just sit there in silence waiting for something to happen then he just downs you. It's like getting hit with noed. There's no counterplay possibility so it feels bad. I don't think it would be OP more boring to go against.

I mean... that's true assuming the survivors are braindead and incapable. There absolutely is counterplay (to both this and NOED, but that's a different conversation entirely lol).

I can only imagine most survivors, knowing they're up against Ghostface, would keep their heads on a swivel instead of waiting for an alert. If anything I think it'd be more exciting because they would actually have to keep watch instead of potentially relying on the game to do it for them.

Then again, considering Ghostface could be playing hit + run anyways, they should already be doing this... so little would change lol.

Without a doubt.

Furthermore you shouldn't be exposing a survivor unless you know without a doubt you can down them very quickly. Otherwise it's just a waste of a surprise tactic.

"Exposed" is a Status Effect. You can't hide a Status Effect from the Survivor's HUD.

It works as a Warning. I don't think that there should be something which hides Status Effect's imo.

Edit: Maybe a Perk on the Survivor's side to challenge themsevles like No Mither, that could actually work. But not as a Killer Perk or Mechanic.

I'm already looking around for gf. Not everyone uses spine chill bud.

As for the counterplay to noed.... Yeah break totems... Fun. I'm sorry but no one should be asked to find every totem on every map. Some maps are too big to search by yourself and frankly that's boring gameplay. You say you want survivors to not rely on the game doing it for them..... The don't use noed. When I said counterplay I meant in a 1v1 vs the killer sense. In the moment while being chased there's nothing you can do to counter noed except hope your team breaks it, if they even know it's up.

It would be broken, especially with how annoying it can be to reveal him sometimes. Sometimes you need to let him stalk you in order to reveal him so not knowing whether he got enough off you or not is a bit broken.

I think not knowing how much you've been stalked is already pretty good on him.

Lol you're entirely missing my point.

If you're already looking around for ghostface? Then you wouldn't likely have any more issues than you already do... This sort of change would really only affect lower-skill players who are incapable of scanning their environment while completing tasks. Higher skill players already have the necessary skills to render this sort of change moot.

And truth be told, I don't even necessarily think the proposed change is a great idea, precisely because it would be punishing to new and lower skill players but entirely irrelevant against higher skill players. But pretending it wouldn't have any counterplay is just silly. It would. And Spine chill wouldn't be a necessity. It'd be a boon, much like most other perks lol.

As for NOED? Honestly I didn't even want to have this argument... But whether the counterplay is boring or not is irrelevant.There is still a counter lol. Pretending it doesn't have counterplay because you don't like the counter is kinda hyperbolic and disingenuous. I mean feel free to criticize it. But saying it has no counter? Idk...

You are the one missing the point and not very good at reading comprehension. I clearly state that noed has a counter in destroying totems and spine chill change would be pointless. That doesn't change the fact that it's stupid to expect survivors to cleanse all totems every game. Not to mention good players know it's a waste of time to cleanse dulls. Also, I am waiting for you to explain how you counter noed while being chased?? It's almost like you didn't even read my post.

Only add-on dependent if you can't go one trial without stacking cooldown add-ons, which IMO is not that necessary unlike what most "mains" say.

You want to be warned that a killer, who's entire power is stalking, is stalking you? You're kidding right? Would you like an aura to show when Trapper sets a trap as well?

It can be, but his mask practically glows with that outfit too, so idk lol. I mean I guess if they've got the devil mask I can see your point to an extent.

I just don't like the idea of doing all this work concealing yourself and ensuring survivors can't see you, stalking them, and then they get a notification saying "bad man staring at you". It seems counter to the entire mechanic. That's the entire reason the hit+run build developed imo. Why bother doing all that work (when you could be stabbing them instead) and ruin the surprise factor?

But I don't know how I'd fix it either. As I said before, I don't know if removing that notification would be the best option alone, since it would really only punish less skilled survivors. Idk.

I lowkey like the effect of knowing they're exposed. I hide in distant places, stalk people to exposure who I won't chase, then watch them run around trying to hide while I go hunt for someone else.

I mean sure... But it really depends on the map, outfit, stalk location, players involved, etc.

I think I said before, sometimes you just won't see him. And without a notification you'd end up getting caught out. That would happen sometimes. But I don't think it'd be a constant issue for most skilled players. That's all.

The part you're leaving out is if the now marked survivors know where you even stalked them from. Even the sweatiest red rank survivors I've faced get confused and panicked about my location.

I mean I can't really argue against your anecdotes, I can only really say that hasn't been my experience.

Doesn't mean either of us is wrong, simply means it's variable. I fully admit you might just confuse people enough into getting the drop on them at times. But I have a hard time believing that would become the norm based off my own experiences.

But who knows. Maybe you're just way better at Ghostface than I am. Idk.

Looking through all the answers, honestly I'd say all of em r mostly valid imo

Having it replace the oh so useful iri add ons would be so fun, it would actually change the game entitely and would be fun for both parties.

I could also see it as base. Ghosty is a stealthy boi, so when a survivor gets exposed notif, they should start runnin if not already, and if Ghost didnt get a decent enough stalk position he has to start chase, andl b worse if they got SB. It would change early game since surv r still guessing who's killer, after that it would go as usual, it would make him more spoopy to go against and make surv stay alert.

On the other hand i can also see this as op. Having Ghost not give info to the surv especially on certain maps would be insane. Many players would struggle to deal with him.

As for what I would do, I would keep it as is. Most people when I play get exposed and continue to sit there until I'm right in their face, but it is funny when they get confused and look around everywhere to find me.

If they were too change Ghost, the biggest thing he needs is a decrease of his recovery time, maybe to like 25-20 sec and nerf his recovery add ons

When did I say I ran against only bad players?