gen times aren't the problem, it's...

The actual problem is the differing playstyles that exist. And that is simply what it is. A killer can get gen rushed and never see the blendettes that just crouched by, or they might get stuck chasing one guy for hours.

Ormond is strong only because of how strong the loops are. As for Red Forest, it is about average for kills per game.

Shorter chases also means more m1 holding and skill checks for survivors lmao, what we need is a new exciting objective to replace some of the unnecessarily long time currently required to complete gens.

Then you need to hope you guess spawn points better.

Ormond is strong because all the loops can be chained together. It's one of the smaller maps.

Mothers Dwelling is too large for its own good.

The problem with gen rush is that makes the game unfun for both sides, specially Killer...but as survivor, is not that fun to just press M1.

Chases are the most fun part of this game and if the Killer has to drop 8 of 10 chases to not lose 3 gens well that's when the game is in trouble.

Or alternatively have hooks and generators locked for x amount of time.

Gives everyone a chance to get an idea of the gen/totem locations. It gives set up killers time to set up. First 30 secs to a minute would be more intense as some killers would stalk, some set up and some would start hunting. Survivors wouldn't end up camped on hook in seconds and killers wouldn't get gen rushed. survivors would either need to use stealth or hide at the beginning making it more survival based.

It doesn't and it does.

It does not speed up the killer or slow generator repair speed. it is a nerf to early game for both parties, promoting a cat and mouse game and hopefully enhancing the experience. (although that's subjective)

I don't think a direct nerf or buff to eithers ability to complete there objective is needed and will more than likely polarise the player base.

What I'm actually suggesting is

Survivors can't do generators, but can do totems and search boxes. Killers can attack players and inflict status ailments but can't hook.

I get you're boiling down to the basics but the only real objective for survivors is do gens and escape. for I killers it's sacrafice. So it's either slow down gen repair (already enough killer perks to do this) or skip an injured or hooked state (mori's already exist and are proof that survivor would not like this sort of change) . That's the only way to speed up killer or slow down survivor objectives. Both are just a survivor nerf, realisticly speaking.

What I'm suggesting does not directly affect the mechanics of either side just delays the "gen rush" or "face camping" at the start, possibly adding an interesting early game dynamic.

Because a lot of survivors try to do other things besides doing just gens. People with flashlights love to try to go for flashlight saves for example.

You'll rarely encounter a team of extremely optimal survivors who sit on gens when not being chased, but when you do it's basically impossible to win unless the survivors themselves mess up.

Whatever you want to tell yourself is the reason you sometimes lose as killer. Facts, logic, evidence, examples, any of those would be nice here.

I'm not making excuses for why I've lost killer games. It's just what I've noticed from solo survivor games I've played.

I play mostly solo survivor when I play survivor and I can tell you that if survivors don't mess around and just work on gens assuming the chased survivor can actually loop a killer for a decent time, the gens will be done before the killer has killed anyone unless they mori tunnel. Doesn't really help that there's not that many maps that are straight up bad for the survivor compared to ones that are bad for killer since most maps tend to have a good amount of resources for the survivors.

Plus my experience with playing killer I can even say that sweat survivor squads who do only gens aren't that common either. Many survivors will still rush to hook save and immediately heal instead of getting gens done which is easy to snowball off of.

I would say most lost games are the killers fault. It's just I also recognize that optimal survivor play is difficult to beat without the survivors making mistakes for the killer to capitalize on.

Yep.

That's why killers with powers that let them get to far gens early are generally a lot stronger than those that don't. That's also why Corrupt Intervention is effective on just about every killers in the game. Every single killer is at their weakest at the very beginning of the game and the tools on the killer side for softening that are... lacking.

I think most killers do understand this actually. But continually leaving and giving up chases to patrol gens shows how bad some loops are for killers to a point you can't even do your main objective which is to hook survivors. The only way you can get an early down before 3 gens pop is if the survivor messes up. Most loops aren't able to be mindgamed therefore killers either have to eat the pallets or abandon the chase and hope you catch someone else in a bad spot. I don't ever see these issues being fixes however since the devs are so out of touch with what the game actually needs to be balanced.

Strongly agree, and you nailed each point on the head!

I will disagree about map pressure though, because of certain maps, and literally having to drop a chase because the survivor is a god tier looper, or your out positioned!

You can't bloodlust and hit survivors every time..in jungle gyms and God pallets for example. Even regular loops can sometimes be infinites even with bloodlust.

By tool I meant a secondary power like doctor's shock or PH's PoTD. Something that lets the killer use their skill to get hits without always relying on bloodlust. Every M1 killer has bloodlust. Doesn't make them strong or not rely on survivors mistake.

There are some perks and add on that allow you as killer to see survivor auras. I would try one of those for the immersive survivors you are having trouble finding. There's also spies from the shadows and whispers.