“Sweat squads” NEED to be hard to defeat

There are ways you can nerf SWF sweat squads without nerfing everyone else.

For example, you could do stuff like, remove/nerf object of obsession. Randos aren't using OOO to constantly communicate where the killer is to the entire time, only SWF squads are. You can nerf looping, but then increase the number of pallets in the map, because sweat squads are hyper efficient and perfectly loop, but rando people don't, and in fact it would buff randos cuz there would be more pallets.

The reality is though, you need to balance a game at the highest level of play, or there is no point playing your game and improving. Not doing so will result in a game not having longevity. Why do you think DotA has been around for 15 years? Why do you think CS has been around for 20 years?

There are a variety of ways you can do this that make meaningful change. This video talks about how they did this with TF2 by nerfing things that were OP in high level play, but not in normal person play:

Difficult yes..but not impossible..and EVERY killer should have the tools if they learn to use them..issue is the dev's haven't gone the extra mile to make solos in the proper setting for that to be possible without the resulting clash of titans to squash the lower players..hence why only a few killers are allowed to stay on beat with the top atm..don't look at this one sidedly or you'll just look like your demeaning and degrading needlessly

No, survivors are not the power role the killer is the power role and will decid how the match will go and the survivors most plan on how to get there objectives done

Agreed. Matchmaking is a vital part of balance. If ranks stretched further into higher echelons of play, that could cause more killers to play optimally and challenge them, perhaps exposing the true balance that was once hidden from us.

No i dont, sure hes annoying but i dont hate it, also what does me hating legion have to do with anything?

Those same people also lose to coordinated teams as well. Not only that if you want to bring up names ill throw in Marth and his depip squad. 100 games, out of those I believe only 12 killers didn't depip, that means safety. They even did it without perks.

Survivors are 100% the power role and in control.

Marth and his SWF literally proved how overpowered SWF is. They did all that without perks, they even did it again without communication. 200 games total. Why do you ignore that?

What? What factors? They were 4 survivors without perks going against red rank killers, even Scott Jund. Scott I believe was the first to actually safety pip against them.

The fact that 4 survivors without perks can go 100 games straight with escapes and forcing every killer except 12 to depip is ridiculous.

Oh I forgot to mention the 4 survivors who did this are all killer mains, they did it to show how easy survivors have it, and that they control the pace of the game.

Because of pure obvious logic. If the reason for "sweat squads" being rare is because the game is easier for survivors, then it's a logical impossibility for "sweat killers" to be rare for the same reason.

This line of logic falls apart when you realize that they can be statistically impossible to defeat unless THEY actively make mistakes.

The numbers are so far in favor(Gen times downtimes/hook times) in their favor that it stops being hard and becomes impossible for most killer's(The characters not the players) kits even with the most powerful possible add-ons,perks, and an ebony to win.

Simply put this logic would work if: *Most* Killers(The characters not the players) could win by skill in these match ups without their opponent's mistakes.

I really think you should get notified if it's a SWF and get a bloodpoint bonus for playing against them. That way you know when you need to sweat back. There's nothing like being barely awake and chasing after someone running tiles and seeing 3 gens pop simultaneously before you start wishing you put end game perks on your slasher.

Win some lose some. Stop blaming the game for everything.

The whole "killers can only win if survivors make mistakes" is a very pathetic line of thinking. Also, spoiler alert- survivors make mistakes in the game all the time. Even good ones.

Killer is not as hard as you guys make it out to be.

Any link to these videos? I wanna watch

I partially agree with you, but the problem with these squads are that you already know the outcome. You will lose, even if you sweat yourself camp, tunnel slug. They can counter all of that.

Your argument was that these groups shouldn't be nerfed, because they are rare? But look what happened to nurse. They nerfed her even she was statistically weakest killer and hand full of nurse mains kept defeating survivors. Now nurse is so rare i have seen her less than 10 times since her "rework"

You can make changes to SWF without gutting solo play easily, but often times survivor mains use the "poor victim solo players" as an excuse why something broken shouldn't be touched. Firstly i would nerf OoO as it gives SWF groups far too big advantage. Also DS needs to be looked at to be more actual anti- tunneling perk

sweat squads have a 90%+ winrate against the strongest possible killer players in this game with the strongest possible killers with the strongest possible addons. Your point would make sense if this was more like 50% winrate.