Who is left to rework?
Seeing how Trapper, Hag, and Wraith all have gotten reworks/new add-ons and quality of life changes, who are the next killers to be reworked? Obviously Freddy is one of them but is there any other killers that really need reworking? Maybe Leatherface could use some reworking and ultra rare add-ons but every other killer seems to have a good balance
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LF with no doubt. He is an inferior Billy who is almost to good at camping (but not much else) with the worst selection of addons in the game.2
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I would say Mig needs changes but not an overhaul. Her ambush should have built in combast straps on rule no 2 NEEDS to be in her base kit
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Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
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Right after Freddy... LF is definitely worth looking into.
Leatherface is a worse Hillbilly in every aspect. Even with the value of his camping and basement denial the changes to patch 2.2.0 and the patch where Tinkerer got reworked really affected him negatively.
Pig doesn't need a rework more so straight out buffs and some deviousness gain for pete's sake. She just needs more range on her ambush so she can use them more often. She mostly needs the treatment the clown got, increase her base kit (ambush dash sneak) slightly and tone down the addons that buff these aspects of the kit. Her puzzles can stay the same as they are atm. Her pink addons need to get adjusted tho they suck ligma.
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Nurse's Add-ons need a re-do.
Cannibal needs some form of movement+.
Nightmare needs everything but more detection.
Pig could live without her growl triggering before the charge.1 -
Definitely Leatherface.
Pig needs some buffs too, I agree with the needed built-in combat straps.1 -
Sweater Meme
Leatherfatty
Piggo
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Trapper and leatherface hardcore.
And the laughingstock.
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@Wolf74 said:
Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
Myers is a definite top tier killer and balanced nicely. His add-ons have big drawbacks because they are pretty brutal on survivors. I mean having the option of taking a survivor out of the game in one move without hooking is pretty damn nice. He is the only killer who can do that. That’s the reason why it takes Myers so long to get to EW3 with a Tombstone. He won’t be getting to EW3 anytime soon unless survivors literally let him. Maybe the “tremendously” can be knocked down to “considerably” but it’s a very powerful add-on regardless.
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@MegMain98 said:
Seeing how Trapper, Hag, and Wraith all have gotten reworks/new add-ons and quality of life changes, who are the next killers to be reworked? Obviously Freddy is one of them but is there any other killers that really need reworking? Maybe Leatherface could use some reworking and ultra rare add-ons but every other killer seems to have a good balanceWraith needs to either have his entire rework reverted or at least half of it needs to be reverted.
The devs didn't say this in the patch notes but they took away his bloodsense and lowered his default speed secretly, and multiple other players have confirmed this.he only has 2 real buffs, the speed boost after uncloaking, and the coxcomb clapper and bone clapper were made actually useful, everything else except for windstorm and possibly shadowdance is worse, and the all-seeings, while not nerfed, are so rare now and have no all seeing white to have the basic add-on, making the bit of a buff they got not only rather useless but counteracted by the overall nerf by not having lower rarity versions. Serpent is made solely so you can hurt yourself as killer, it has no use and only serves to waste an add-on space and make it so every time you break a gen you're forced to uncloak, which many may remember is how wraith used to be years ago, but that was taken out in order to buff him a tiny bit, and honestly if you run serpent you've asked to lose. Furthermore, with it as a common it constantly fills up the bloodweb and gets between you and any good stuff so that you have to waste money on it for no reason other than ######### you because you're a killer and ######### you even more because you play wraith, the second lowest tier killer, who we of course just nerfed because ######### you killers.
His swift hunt perks are mostly unchanged except that they're rarer now, which is surprisingly enough a HUGE nerf since they always used to be so necessary. Wraith's only good side was his ability to camp, his good add-ons to crutch on, and if you loved his playstyle, which I did. He's lost basically all that now.Furthermore, in order to regain his bloodsense at all you must either waste one of you only 4 perk slots (the devs would've added literally shooting your killer in the foot but they thought that might be overkill, they have some standards at least...) with bloodhound, or waste one of your add-on slots with hound, a much worse version of bloodhound.
Further info on the bloodsense nerf, not only is his bloodsense gone, but the blood is far duller and more colorless than it is for any other killer now, and it goes away within 1-2 seconds, period.
the worst part about the wraith nerf, because it is in no way a "rework" and the devs will be damned if it's a legitimate buff, is that half of the nerf was done secretly, they don't say in the patch notes that they took away the bloodsense, they don't say that they made it worse than other killers even though the entire point of the wraith is cloaking and tracking, both of which they're pretty well devastating, and the don't say that they nerfed his movement speed, and while that is not confirmed by many players a few have noticed it, myself included.
The worst part about this nerf, to summarize, is that the devs lied to us and especially to wraith players, and furthermore kicked us while we were down.1 -
I've been playing leatherface to get BBQ, and the add-ons for noise reduction, and stun reduction from bumping into things don't make sense to me. Not to mention that two of his killer specific add-ons, the chili ones, don't even work - according to the wiki. The add-ons say something about acceleration, which I haven't seen described anywhere in the game.
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Freddy in his current state is a disgrace. A horror icon and look at what he's been reduced to. Weakest killer in the game, with a power that doesn't even represent who he is. It's like they had the sandman idea then slapped that onto Freddy. He needs a complete rework, with a new power, a big time investment but it's a disgrace that he's been in this state for nearly a year.
Leatherface has only one strength... He can down multiple survivors at once. In literally every other way, Billy outclasses him.
Pig could do with some quality of life stuff, add-on changes and the roar not being at the start of the ambush attack.
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Trapper still needs a rework. His base kit leaves him in a position where he spends far too much time going around picking up traps to set up. All they would need to do is make his trapper bag add on part of his base kit.
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Killers that need a rework:
- Freddy (complete)
- Pig (complete)
- Leatherface (complete)
- Myers (addons + way he gains EW + perks)
- Billy (addons)
- Nurse (addons)
- Trapper (way he obtains traps)
- Doctor (addons)
- Clown (complete)
- Spirit (complete)
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@Tsulan said:
Killers that need a rework:- Freddy (complete)
- Pig (complete)
- Leatherface (complete)
- Myers (addons + way he gains EW + perks)
- Billy (addons)
- Nurse (addons)
- Trapper (way he obtains traps)
- Doctor (addons)
- Clown (complete)
- Spirit (complete)
- Huntress (addons)
I can vouch for any new add-ons but what do you suggest for Clown and Spirit reworks? For Spirit she needs to be 115% speed and the blood should be in her base ability without any add-ons.
Clown however I don’t see how he needs a complete rewrok
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@MegMain98 said:
@Tsulan said:
Killers that need a rework:- Freddy (complete)
- Pig (complete)
- Leatherface (complete)
- Myers (addons + way he gains EW + perks)
- Billy (addons)
- Nurse (addons)
- Trapper (way he obtains traps)
- Doctor (addons)
- Clown (complete)
- Spirit (complete)
- Huntress (addons)
I can vouch for any new add-ons but what do you suggest for Clown and Spirit reworks? For Spirit she needs to be 115% speed and the blood should be in her base ability without any add-ons.
Clown however I don’t see how he needs a complete rewrok
Spirit needs a shorter cooldown on her abillity OR should be able to see survivors while in spirit form. But the long cooldown + invisible survivors cripples her to much. A killers abillity should be his/her strength, not cripple him/her. Best example is Freddy.
Clowns addons are trash. They need a complete overhaul. Same goes for his abillity. It´s mediocre at best. Addons should change the way the bottles affect the survivor (less vision but no speed breaker, more vision but a greater slowdown, etc). His perks need a slight buff. Bamboozle should be able to block 2 windows and have a longer counter. Pop goes the weazle should have a longer counter (time is simply to short on some maps). Coultrophobia should work map wide like Thanatophobia, because no one heals inside the terror radius, because of Nurses calling.
They should also take a look at the fly path of the bottles. On some maps it´s really frustrating to use his abillity, because a random tree will break the bottle.
Therefore i proposed a complete rework.1 -
@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
Myers is a definite top tier killer and balanced nicely. His add-ons have big drawbacks because they are pretty brutal on survivors. I mean having the option of taking a survivor out of the game in one move without hooking is pretty damn nice. He is the only killer who can do that. That’s the reason why it takes Myers so long to get to EW3 with a Tombstone. He won’t be getting to EW3 anytime soon unless survivors literally let him. Maybe the “tremendously” can be knocked down to “considerably” but it’s a very powerful add-on regardless.
Ok, calling Myers top tier says more about your skill level of play than about the balance of killer.
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Well from what they said their plans were, Freddy is next to be reworked.
But they also said they wanted every killer to have 2 ultra rare add ons. So both leatherface and Billy are going to have their add ons fiddled with at the very least.1 -
@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
Myers is a definite top tier killer and balanced nicely. His add-ons have big drawbacks because they are pretty brutal on survivors. I mean having the option of taking a survivor out of the game in one move without hooking is pretty damn nice. He is the only killer who can do that. That’s the reason why it takes Myers so long to get to EW3 with a Tombstone. He won’t be getting to EW3 anytime soon unless survivors literally let him. Maybe the “tremendously” can be knocked down to “considerably” but it’s a very powerful add-on regardless.
Ok, calling Myers top tier says more about your skill level of play than about the balance of killer.
It’s kind of obvious that he is one of the top tier killers. Nobody is gonna argue about Nurse/Billy being #1 and #2. The rest are debatable.
Myers is one of the most balanced killers in the game. Of course if you’re trash with his ability you aren’t gonna do great. I’m GOD AWFUL with the Nurse but I’m not saying “Nurse is unbalanced and a trash killer”.
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@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
Myers is a definite top tier killer and balanced nicely. His add-ons have big drawbacks because they are pretty brutal on survivors. I mean having the option of taking a survivor out of the game in one move without hooking is pretty damn nice. He is the only killer who can do that. That’s the reason why it takes Myers so long to get to EW3 with a Tombstone. He won’t be getting to EW3 anytime soon unless survivors literally let him. Maybe the “tremendously” can be knocked down to “considerably” but it’s a very powerful add-on regardless.
Ok, calling Myers top tier says more about your skill level of play than about the balance of killer.
It’s kind of obvious that he is one of the top tier killers. Nobody is gonna argue about Nurse/Billy being #1 and #2. The rest are debatable.
Myers is one of the most balanced killers in the game. Of course if you’re trash with his ability you aren’t gonna do great. I’m GOD AWFUL with the Nurse but I’m not saying “Nurse is unbalanced and a trash killer”.
Myers is mid tier at best. Only survivor player call him balanced, because they have an easy time against him.
My bad is, I am not good with the top killer. I hate playing the Nurse and her fatigue makes me sick.
And I have those uncontrollable flicks with Billys chainsaw, that other seem to get under control, but unfortunatly not me.So I am stuck playing the lesser balanced killer.
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@Tsulan said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Tsulan said:
Killers that need a rework:- Freddy (complete)
- Pig (complete)
- Leatherface (complete)
- Myers (addons + way he gains EW + perks)
- Billy (addons)
- Nurse (addons)
- Trapper (way he obtains traps)
- Doctor (addons)
- Clown (complete)
- Spirit (complete)
- Huntress (addons)
I can vouch for any new add-ons but what do you suggest for Clown and Spirit reworks? For Spirit she needs to be 115% speed and the blood should be in her base ability without any add-ons.
Clown however I don’t see how he needs a complete rewrok
Spirit needs a shorter cooldown on her abillity OR should be able to see survivors while in spirit form. But the long cooldown + invisible survivors cripples her to much. A killers abillity should be his/her strength, not cripple him/her. Best example is Freddy.
Clowns addons are trash. They need a complete overhaul. Same goes for his abillity. It´s mediocre at best. Addons should change the way the bottles affect the survivor (less vision but no speed breaker, more vision but a greater slowdown, etc). His perks need a slight buff. Bamboozle should be able to block 2 windows and have a longer counter. Pop goes the weazle should have a longer counter (time is simply to short on some maps). Coultrophobia should work map wide like Thanatophobia, because no one heals inside the terror radius, because of Nurses calling.
They should also take a look at the fly path of the bottles. On some maps it´s really frustrating to use his abillity, because a random tree will break the bottle.
Therefore i proposed a complete rework.Seeing the survivors while in her phase walk is a little bit extreme. I’d be all for a shorter cooldown but they already changed the cooldown from 20 seconds to 15 seconds in the latest patch and there are perks that can be used the decrease the cooldown even further.
Clown on the other hand I do agree with> @Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Wolf74 said:
Freddy ofc sucks bad and needs some rework.
Trapper still sucks even after his buffs.
LF is really in need of buffs, especially since they nerfed all his add ons for no reason.
Myers is pretty cool, but has some lackluster add ons with to harsh drawbacks.
I personally think that Pig kinda sucks, but other people perform really well with her. shrugMost things are not just about specific reworks, but general killerbuffs that are needed.
Myers is a definite top tier killer and balanced nicely. His add-ons have big drawbacks because they are pretty brutal on survivors. I mean having the option of taking a survivor out of the game in one move without hooking is pretty damn nice. He is the only killer who can do that. That’s the reason why it takes Myers so long to get to EW3 with a Tombstone. He won’t be getting to EW3 anytime soon unless survivors literally let him. Maybe the “tremendously” can be knocked down to “considerably” but it’s a very powerful add-on regardless.
Ok, calling Myers top tier says more about your skill level of play than about the balance of killer.
It’s kind of obvious that he is one of the top tier killers. Nobody is gonna argue about Nurse/Billy being #1 and #2. The rest are debatable.
Myers is one of the most balanced killers in the game. Of course if you’re trash with his ability you aren’t gonna do great. I’m GOD AWFUL with the Nurse but I’m not saying “Nurse is unbalanced and a trash killer”.
Myers is mid tier at best. Only survivor player call him balanced, because they have an easy time against him.
My bad is, I am not good with the top killer. I hate playing the Nurse and her fatigue makes me sick.
And I have those uncontrollable flicks with Billys chainsaw, that other seem to get under control, but unfortunatly not me.So I am stuck playing the lesser balanced killer.
You do know I’m a Myers main right? His add-ons are extremely powerful, thing is that you gotta put in the effort in the match to get use out of his add-ons. It’s not going to just be GIVEN to you. Although he does somewhat struggle in SWF groups. Using an infinite Tier 3 can be very helpful if you can pair it with J. Myers Memorial.
I don’t like Nurse because her fatigue is annoying and the blinks are wonky on PS4. Not to mention she is slow as a slug.
Billy is a lot easier to use, but he’s just not my favorite. Certainly better than Leatherface however.
The “lesser killers” I like are Freddy and Hag. Is Spirit considered a weak killer? Because I use her pretty frequently as well. She’s definitely climbed up my killer list.
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@MegMain98 said:
You do know I’m a Myers main right? His add-ons are extremely powerful, thing is that you gotta put in the effort in the match to get use out of his add-ons. It’s not going to just be GIVEN to you. Although he does somewhat struggle in SWF groups. Using an infinite Tier 3 can be very helpful if you can pair it with J. Myers Memorial.
I don’t like Nurse because her fatigue is annoying and the blinks are wonky on PS4. Not to mention she is slow as a slug.
Billy is a lot easier to use, but he’s just not my favorite. Certainly better than Leatherface however.
The “lesser killers” I like are Freddy and Hag. Is Spirit considered a weak killer? Because I use her pretty frequently as well. She’s definitely climbed up my killer list.
Thx that you try to stay reasonable.
And no, I don't know that you are a "Myers main", by the post I read from you so far, I was expecting you to not play killer at all and that you are most likely a survivor main anyway. :P
Maybe this is a PC vs console issue, because you play on PS4.
Some people say that certain killer are better/worse to play on console and that the gameexperience with these killers can differ a lot depending on where you are playing.
Some people even say it is about the skill and competitive playerbase that cause the differences.
I play PC only, so I can't judge it.
Most people I heard consider Spirit weak, especially versus better player.
Same is true for Freddy... he is a great noobstomper but sucks versus high ranks.0 -
- Freddy (full character rework)
- Doctor (full character rework)
- Pig (full character rework)
- Spirit (full character rework)
- Trapper (base stats)
- Huntress (addons)
- Leatherface (addons and base stats)
- Myers (tombstone addons)
- Clown (addons)
- Nurse (achievements and purple addons aside from Campbell's last breath).
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He's one of the worst killers in the game. If you're okay with him being a meme...
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@Acromio said:
- Freddy (full character rework)
- Doctor (full character rework)
- Pig (full character rework)
- Spirit (full character rework)
- Trapper (base stats)
- Huntress (addons)
- Leatherface (addons and base stats)
- Myers (tombstone addons)
- Clown (addons)
- Nurse (achievements and purple addons aside from Campbell's last breath).
Now if anybody needs an “achievement” rework it is The Huntress...downing survivors with hatchets 100 times from farther than 24 meters is a ridiculous feat. It should be 30 MAX. Yet for Trapper you only need to catch 10 survivors in traps.
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@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
You do know I’m a Myers main right? His add-ons are extremely powerful, thing is that you gotta put in the effort in the match to get use out of his add-ons. It’s not going to just be GIVEN to you. Although he does somewhat struggle in SWF groups. Using an infinite Tier 3 can be very helpful if you can pair it with J. Myers Memorial.
I don’t like Nurse because her fatigue is annoying and the blinks are wonky on PS4. Not to mention she is slow as a slug.
Billy is a lot easier to use, but he’s just not my favorite. Certainly better than Leatherface however.
The “lesser killers” I like are Freddy and Hag. Is Spirit considered a weak killer? Because I use her pretty frequently as well. She’s definitely climbed up my killer list.
Thx that you try to stay reasonable.
And no, I don't know that you are a "Myers main", by the post I read from you so far, I was expecting you to not play killer at all and that you are most likely a survivor main anyway. :P
Maybe this is a PC vs console issue, because you play on PS4.
Some people say that certain killer are better/worse to play on console and that the gameexperience with these killers can differ a lot depending on where you are playing.
Some people even say it is about the skill and competitive playerbase that cause the differences.
I play PC only, so I can't judge it.
Most people I heard consider Spirit weak, especially versus better player.
Same is true for Freddy... he is a great noobstomper but sucks versus high ranks.I guess I am a “survivor main” but I play more killer if I don’t have friends online at the time. I’m still relatively new to killer since I played for a little while when I first started the game at the end of March then stopped and NEVER played killer until about a month ago.
I mainly play Myers, Pig, and Spirit but I switch between every killer. I’m not really playing Myers at the time because I just prestiged him.
Nurse is definitely easier on PC than console even though I’ve ran into some God tier Nurses at high rank but the majority of people who play Nurse are probably only doing it for a daily ritual. She’s very hard to control on console.
Not sure why Spirit is considered a weak killer. I can play her and get a 4K nearly every time and I am certainly not the best killer out there. She can use a little reworking, such as possibly making blood appear in her base ability instead of an add-on...but I doubt that’ll happen.
Same holds true for Freddy as I can get a 4K most of the time, but everybody knows why he is a weak killer. Freddy is really the only killer I consider to be weak.
Hag and Wraith are much more viable now than they were. Honestly I get killed nearly every round that the killer is Wraith. I can never escape a Wraith.
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@MegMain98 said:
@Acromio said:
- Freddy (full character rework)
- Doctor (full character rework)
- Pig (full character rework)
- Spirit (full character rework)
- Trapper (base stats)
- Huntress (addons)
- Leatherface (addons and base stats)
- Myers (tombstone addons)
- Clown (addons)
- Nurse (achievements and purple addons aside from Campbell's last breath).
Now if anybody needs an “achievement” rework it is The Huntress...downing survivors with hatchets 100 times from farther than 24 meters is a ridiculous feat. It should be 30 MAX. Yet for Trapper you only need to catch 10 survivors in traps.
But it is the other way around... Huntress 20 hits from 24 meters and Trapper 100 times grab someone from a trap.
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@Mercury said:
@MegMain98 said:
@Acromio said:
- Freddy (full character rework)
- Doctor (full character rework)
- Pig (full character rework)
- Spirit (full character rework)
- Trapper (base stats)
- Huntress (addons)
- Leatherface (addons and base stats)
- Myers (tombstone addons)
- Clown (addons)
- Nurse (achievements and purple addons aside from Campbell's last breath).
Now if anybody needs an “achievement” rework it is The Huntress...downing survivors with hatchets 100 times from farther than 24 meters is a ridiculous feat. It should be 30 MAX. Yet for Trapper you only need to catch 10 survivors in traps.
But it is the other way around... Huntress 20 hits from 24 meters and Trapper 100 times grab someone from a trap.
Not on PS4 it isn’t
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