@Wolf74 said:
How do you "work around" decreased speed while UNCLOAKED?
That's basically reduced speed during any regular chase(!?)

What I hate most about this nerfing of wraith is that they did it quietly, no part of the patch notes says they took away his bloodsense, they advertised huge buffs while either sidestepping or completely hiding the far greater nerfs.
To actually buff the wraith, they need to keep that default speed boost after uncloaking, that was great, they need to keep the windstorm and coxcomb clapper since they make coxcomb finally useful and the windstorm is a good buff, and lastly they need to undo the nerfs so that he's not worse off by far than he was before the update. Give back the bloodsense, remove hound and bring back the white all seeing for it, lower the rarity of the swift hunt add-ons back to how they were, keep shadow dance if you want or throw it out, THROW OUT SERPENT NO MATTER WHAT and bring back whatever the hell it replaced (I don't remember)
And if they nerfed his speed secretly the way they nerfed his bloodsense secretly, like the scummy devs they honestly keep proving themselves to be these days, bring back his default speed from before, since without windstorm it certainly feels like he's running on 112.5% or 110% instead of 115% and his cloaked speed isn't as fast as it used to be, I think after playing him more.

I honestly can only really play this game as a survivor now, wraith was by far my favorite killer even though he was low tier from the start, I didn't care because his style of gameplay was awesome and I loved every second of it, I loved playing the game with him before this update, I loved the quads I constantly got as him and honestly I thought he could be played with rather similar results to the top tier killers (at least under the top 5-6 ranks). Now I played him some more and honestly I didn't have the fun I had before, not because I lost more even, since these last rounds I got kind of lucky on because the survivors borked themselves and turned a 3 escaped match into a 1 escaped match in just 30 seconds where all 3 survivors were downed and only one made it out the exit. But did I have fun winning that round? No, in fact it almost stung more because I knew damn well it was going to be a 1 kill match until the survivors killed themselves, it's bad enough killers tend to have no control over the gameplay and have to react to survivor mistakes to win, at least before this patch it felt like I had some control, like I could at least play mind games, now it's just #########, it feels bad when I lose, and it feels almost worse when I win, what kind of a game is like that? DbD is, along with all the other horrible games, I loved this game, and even though I started having to play 50/50 between playing survivor and killer shortly before this patch, both were at least fun most of the time, now yet another killer for DbD has given up, because I can't keep chasing the enjoyment I used to have, I'm probably going to try anyway, but at most a few days is all it will take before I get so beaten down that I just give up for a long time and either play only survivor or just play any other game.

sorry this reply turned out so long, I just started adding thoughts to it until it got to this point, RIP DbD, it was fun while it lasted, even if it was broken then too, but I can only be a masochist for this game for so lon before another twist of the knife finally gets me to give up on this game, chances are extremely low that the devs are going to fix this, they have basically never fixed anything in their game, never actually buffed a killer, constantly buffed the op survivors, and constantly break more of the gameplay.
They even lied by secretly nerfing the wraith... what kind of scummy business practice is that? Makes sense coming from people like Matheu with the fake apology after literally telling us killers to play something else.

Honestly? The first good advice he's ever given anyone, I give up, if he wants so badly for me to play something else, if he hates us killers that much, fine, I'll take him up on the offer and play literally anything else. Maybe some Friday the 13th, at least it's not broken.

@MegaWaffle said:
I'm not sure why everyone hates that he no longer has bloodhound built into his power. Every other killer tracks just fine without it and it isn't hard to do the same with Wraith.

there are two big reasons why that in particular (and it's only one of the many nerfs wraith got) is a big problem. 1: not only did he lose his bloodsense, he now has it so that blood is more dull and colorless than other killers, and it goes away almost immediately. So it's not that he's the same as other killers now (which is still a nerf and something that is bad for the wraith in articular, who specializes in the tracking style and who is already sharing the bottom with freddy.) it's that it is significantly worse than the other killers, so the killer built around tracking basically loses ALL ability to track blood because the blood has been replaced by quickly evaporating tiny mud puddles, that's not how other killers see it, it's worse.
2: this is the most important reason why. The scumbag devs did it secretly, along with what I highly suspect is an overall speed nerf to the wraith. They've taken all that he was about away from him and in return took away more good add-ons of his and replaced them with cancer like serpent, actively built only to hurt you if you use it and to waste an add-on slot, and the last thing they do after all that nerfing, is advertise the only buffs they gave him, which in total is still a HUGE nerf to the 2nd lowest ranked killer in the game, he might even be the exact bottom now, freddy might be better, though admittedly freddy is SO bad that I doubt it still.

The real reason we're all pissed off is because the devs lied to us again, they advertised a buff that was really a nerf and that was just the add-ons which is only half the nerf, the other half was done in secret because ######### you wraith mains and honestly ######### you killers in general, that's what they're saying here, it's what they say in every patch, and it's what Matheu almost literally said by advising killers to play different games and then faking an apology.

Even with how broken this game has been from nearly the beginning, I have NEVER complained on a forum, never complained to friends really, and have even told a friend about the game and said he should buy it so we can play together in this game as well. Honestly? ######### that, that was before the patch, the last straw. I can't enjoy my favorite killer anymore because they took a very low tier killer and nerfed him into the ######### core of the Earth just to twist the knife they stabbed in all us killers already for yet another turn of the knife.
I am telling my friend not to buy this game until something, anything, for once in the dev's lives, gets fixed, and we all know they're never going to fix a single thing, and that he's not going to buy this game, and that I'm not going to play this game. I loved this game even though it was broken, I loved playing wraith and liked playing survivor and liked playing other killers, but this is the last straw, I was loyal to this game and played on through the trolling, the toxicity, the broken mechanics, everything. But this, this was the most blatant "######### you" I've ever gotten from a developer of a game in my life, really one of the most blatant "######### you" 's I've ever received, and you know what, ######### you too devs, if you're not going to fix this then be glad because your wish has been granted, another killer left your game.
their secret story line must be that the survivors and entity worked together the whole time to crush the hope of the killers instead of the survivors until every killer finally broke down and were made able to leave the entity's realm, all until the last killer left, the survivors and entity (the devs) celebrate their victory, and that's the 'happy' ending to DbD, that or they'd better retrofit that into their story, because it's happening and has been for a while.

Another one bites the dust.

The worst thing when you think about it is that they heavily nerfed him, the second worst killer in the game, and they nerfed him.
Might as well just stop it with the symbolism and make the message fully direct, any time a player plays wraith the wraith lies down on the ground and leaves an aura so that all the survivors can come and get 1,000,000 bloodpoints to kick him while he's down.

@Boss said:
So far i've had GREAT results in any match on most ranks using "Windstorm".
The built-in version is exactly like the weakest former version of "Windstorm" and frankly, that's all i need.

Though just using "Swift Hunt" isn't anything exciting, you can never ever go wrong equipping this.

Now combine their strongest versions and you got a Wraith that comes pretty dang close to applying just as much presence pressure like Hillbilly does. (I say "presence pressure", cause Wraith can't 1-hit like Hillbilly.)

Inflicting Mangled is pretty neat, always good to waste that much more of their time.

Lots of Add-ons i still don't like though.

Inflicting Blindness is very meh. Like, yeah, it's a debuff. But it's as if you just made someone 1% slower at repairing: Very very very underwhelming.

Seeing nearby Survivor auras? Ehh, as Wraith, you usually see them anyway.

Seeing Generator aura intensities based on their progression is neat i guess. I just don't want it, and i don't think the rarity fits this ability.

"Shadow Dance" is a great concept, but often useless since you need to be cloaked. You'll need some serious mindgaming and more luck than you want to put these to effective use in chases.

The stealth Add-ons are pretty much only good if you combine them with another one. Such Add-ons become very unattractive once you run out of 1 of the 2.

"Blink" hasn't changed. I gotta admit, it's kinda fun to just poof out of existence, you barely have to hold the button. But it's only aesthetically appeasing, nothing practical about it.

What i like about Wraith is being able to get up to someone without them noticing me.
So naturally, i heavily dislike the Common Add-ons that undo my cloak whenever i break a pallet or damage a Generator, and the one that doesn't hide my terror radius. (Opinions different from yours exist.)

There are very few Killers who have Add-on arsenals that consist more of likeable than dislikeable Add-ons for me btw, so take in this list of opinions with that in mind.

The built in version is actually exactly like the windstorm white, not the weakest version, as it gives a full second of speedboost, it's one of the few actual buffs Wraith got, the weakest windstorm before was a .5 second speed boost but it had no drawbacks, this one has the windstorm white's speed boost effect of 1 second but does not have the draw back to decloaking time.

@Boss said:
So far i've had GREAT results in any match on most ranks using "Windstorm".
The built-in version is exactly like the weakest former version of "Windstorm" and frankly, that's all i need.

Though just using "Swift Hunt" isn't anything exciting, you can never ever go wrong equipping this.

Now combine their strongest versions and you got a Wraith that comes pretty dang close to applying just as much presence pressure like Hillbilly does. (I say "presence pressure", cause Wraith can't 1-hit like Hillbilly.)

Inflicting Mangled is pretty neat, always good to waste that much more of their time.

Lots of Add-ons i still don't like though.

Inflicting Blindness is very meh. Like, yeah, it's a debuff. But it's as if you just made someone 1% slower at repairing: Very very very underwhelming.

Seeing nearby Survivor auras? Ehh, as Wraith, you usually see them anyway.

Seeing Generator aura intensities based on their progression is neat i guess. I just don't want it, and i don't think the rarity fits this ability.

"Shadow Dance" is a great concept, but often useless since you need to be cloaked. You'll need some serious mindgaming and more luck than you want to put these to effective use in chases.

The stealth Add-ons are pretty much only good if you combine them with another one. Such Add-ons become very unattractive once you run out of 1 of the 2.

"Blink" hasn't changed. I gotta admit, it's kinda fun to just poof out of existence, you barely have to hold the button. But it's only aesthetically appeasing, nothing practical about it.

What i like about Wraith is being able to get up to someone without them noticing me.
So naturally, i heavily dislike the Common Add-ons that undo my cloak whenever i break a pallet or damage a Generator, and the one that doesn't hide my terror radius. (Opinions different from yours exist.)

There are very few Killers who have Add-on arsenals that consist more of likeable than dislikeable Add-ons for me btw, so take in this list of opinions with that in mind.

Honestly the changes to the wraith's add-ons are somewhat mixed, a bunch of nerfs but a few buffs. The real issue is the secret nerfs the devs gave him, because not only do they suck but the devs stabbed us in the back with an advertised buff to wraith that was really an overall nerf, they lied to us and that's why I'm finally done playing this for a while, not even because they made wraith even worse than he used to be in the meta (except for duel windstorm, the only thing he can do now, but at least it's funny for a few times using it) but because they did it and lied about it, I can support a game with good promise but where the devs make genuine mistakes, I've been doing that for this long, I can even support a game where they ruin my main again and again, did it for overwatch and others, I can just play survivor for a while, sure it's nothing like the fun I had but I'm quite used to games becoming nothing like they were before, sad as that is. What I cannot support is a game where the devs outright say with their actions during EVERY PATCH "######### you killers" and in this patch specifically "not only ######### you killers in general, but ######### you in particular wraith mains" and I really can't support a game where not only do the devs say ######### me every other day, but also where they lie to me and to everyone else about it.

I'm starting to wonder if some killer add-ons (none of the spirit levels and probably none of teh blood ones either) should be made into add-on perks, so that tehy don't go away after every game.

This I just thought up now so if it's stupid that's because it wasn't well thought out, and if it's not then yay, lucky me.

@Boss said:

@FEARTHEGHUS said:

@Boss said:

Oh yeah.
Well that only makes "Swift Hunt" Add-ons that much better, since they don't have to make up for 1 second "Windstorm" instead of me thinking they didn't have to make up for 0.5 seconds "Windstorm".

There's a problem with the swift hunts now too though, and it's that they are still as good as they were but have been nerfed by being made more rare, that sucks because they always used to be a must have add-on, with windstorm or all-seeing as one of the other two, or blink or another swifthunt if you like that playstyle.
They're like windstorm now, incredibly important but too rare to be used all the time, therefore you have to just play some games where you either take no add-ons or bad add-ons and basically accept that not only are you disadvantaged by playing the killer, not only are you disadvantaged by playing wraith, but now you're extra disadvantaged by not having the add-ons you need.
And since the duel windstorm add-on set is basically the only way to play wraith now, even though swifthunt is really good you won't have room for it, and even though windstorm is good it's already somewhat rare as an add-on and you use 2 every game.

Duel "Windstorm" the only way to play Wraith?
Now that's just not true.
Might i suggest you try other builds for more than just 2-3 matches?

Wraith was my first main and i've always loved the idea of shortening your Power usage.
So, naturally, i was drawn to "Swift Hunt" Add-ons for Wraith.
What did that do to my inventory?

HUNDREDS OF "SWIFT HUNT" ADD-ONS!

Though "Swift Hunt" - Soot is now gone and a new one arrived, i still have hundreds of the 2 middle ones.
And let me tell you, they're work JUST as great.

I stand by my point that: "Swift Hunt" Add-ons are not extraordinary like Shape's Fragrant Tuft Of Hair or Hillbilly's amazing collection of medium buffs on Carburetor Tuning Guide, but it's more than good enough for me to have it be the first thing i grab from his Bloodwebs.

Obviously they're just as good, but if you use swift hunt constantly you can't restock it well if they're all rare and you have bad luck with the bloodweb like I do.

One new thing, at first I thought this was an overall nerf because of a lot of nerfs being done, but that was because I didn't correctly read shadowdance and thought it only sped up vaulting and gen damage.
Shadowdance speeds up pallet breaking as well... and with that addon the wraith is incredible, any good add-on plus shadowdance is a good overall wraith, and even with the secret nerf where they removed his blood sense, and the other nerfs like replacing perfectly good addons with the cancer that is serpent, etc. he still comes out better thanks to the shadowdance add-on. I think sincerely that wraith would be a perfectly good killer, high-ish to high tier even, if he ahd his blood sense returned to him while he's cloaked, because as it is his sight of blood is legitimately worse than other killers, cloaked and uncloaked. He still is great but he is nowhere near as good at tracking as he was now that he is utterly blind to blood.

Seriously, give back the wraith's bloodsense and he'd be high tier in my opinion, he's already higher than he was with this set.

secondly, while it really did turn out to be a buff overall to the wraith, I must say that secretly removing bloodsense is by far still the worst thing about the patch, not even because it is a stupid nerf or a bad one, but because, as I said before, the devs did it secretly.