Make it so disconnecters only lose one PIP.
Rank manipulation is a very common thing in this game. BHVR even featured streamers as fog travelers who openly depip to avoid playing at rank 1 in favor of easier games.
One thing that enables this is the estimated 40% DC rate allowed before you are punished. You can depip to rank 15 and rank up to any given rank and then repeat the process as long as you don't constantly two pip.
Obviously a single depip on DC makes the process of deranking take twice as long.
Just a thought on how to curb one of the games cheesier practices.
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Or ban those who ruin the game for both killer and survivors4
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So the killer will then have people DCing twice as much? Doesn't sound like a good solution to me, it does need addressing though.
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@Might_Oakk said:
Rank manipulation is a very common thing in this game. BHVR even featured streamers as fog travelers who openly depip to avoid playing at rank 1 in favor of easier games.One thing that enables this is the estimated 40% DC rate allowed before you are punished. You can depip to rank 15 and rank up to any given rank and then repeat the process as long as you don't constantly two pip.
Obviously a single depip on DC makes the process of deranking take twice as long.
Just a thought on how to curb one of the games cheesier practices.
By doing that, you will just increase the DC rate and dont fix the actual problem.
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If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zone
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@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
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@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
I did not claim that this is not the case, but its a fact that you are still not triggering that automatic system with a 50% rate. I have tested this myself in the past and I never even got a warning that I DCed too much.
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Any source for those numbers?Might_Oakk said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
Devs never released actual numbers as far as I know.4 -
@Tsulan said:
Might_Oakk said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zone
That is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
Any source for those numbers?
Devs never released actual numbers as far as I know.MCote sted it was 40% in a dev stream
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@Might_Oakk said:
@Tsulan said:
Might_Oakk said:@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zone
That is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
Any source for those numbers?
Devs never released actual numbers as far as I know.MCote sted it was 40% in a dev stream
That was long ago and caused uproar in the community, they were pretty fast to declare this as invalid and from the official side we have no indication at all what this magical bann rate is (assuming it exists at all)
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@Tsulan said:
Any source for those numbers?
Devs never released actual numbers as far as I know.They won't so that people won't try and game the system but if it's like others it's based upon % of games played within x time frame.
Now if you change the depip to only 1 you actually won't increase the dc rate in that sense since if they do dc more that makes their account get flagged.
Let me explain that last part if you use the example I gave of % and you on average dc x times in x games but all of the sudden you spike. Well then you're probably going to get flagged by the system that says hey x is having way more disconnects than is normal for their account history.
That flag is in addition to the dc threshold flag that can occur if you break the threshold for % in x games x time.
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Well the numbers are obviously to low. Otherwise we wouldn't have so many people disconnecting. We need a casual mode.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
Any source for those numbers?
Devs never released actual numbers as far as I know.They won't so that people won't try and game the system but if it's like others it's based upon % of games played within x time frame.
Now if you change the depip to only 1 you actually won't increase the dc rate in that sense since if they do dc more that makes their account get flagged.
Let me explain that last part if you use the example I gave of % and you on average dc x times in x games but all of the sudden you spike. Well then you're probably going to get flagged by the system that says hey x is having way more disconnects than is normal for their account history.
That flag is in addition to the dc threshold flag that can occur if you break the threshold for % in x games x time.
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If people are still disconnecting anytime without regard to the ban system, the number to trigger it clearly needs to be lowered0
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@Lowbei said:
If people are still disconnecting anytime without regard to the ban system, the number to trigger it clearly needs to be loweredThere needs to be an instant queue time punishment after a DC, that would be the easiest and best solution. There is a reason why this solution is the one most games are going for.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
I did not claim that this is not the case, but its a fact that you are still not triggering that automatic system with a 50% rate. I have tested this myself in the past and I never even got a warning that I DCed too much.
Did you do it for an entire month because thats how its calculated derp
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@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
I did not claim that this is not the case, but its a fact that you are still not triggering that automatic system with a 50% rate. I have tested this myself in the past and I never even got a warning that I DCed too much.
Did you do it for an entire month because thats how its calculated derp
Yes
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
I did not claim that this is not the case, but its a fact that you are still not triggering that automatic system with a 50% rate. I have tested this myself in the past and I never even got a warning that I DCed too much.
Did you do it for an entire month because thats how its calculated derp
Yes
Lol so you're a trash dcer who doesn't want rank manipulation to go away. Gotcha!
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@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
@Might_Oakk said:
If survivors increase the dc rate they fall into the bannable zoneThat is a myth, even if you DC every 2nd game, you are still fine
Math is hard.
50% Dc rate > 40% Dc rate limit
I did not claim that this is not the case, but its a fact that you are still not triggering that automatic system with a 50% rate. I have tested this myself in the past and I never even got a warning that I DCed too much.
Did you do it for an entire month because thats how its calculated derp
Yes
Lol so you're a trash dcer who doesn't want rank manipulation to go away. Gotcha!
No, I was just curious so I decided to run this experiment in a month I didnt play much.
I would love if we actually get a proper rank system where it actualyl is hard to reach rank 1, you get rewards for it and if EVERY DC would lead to instant punishment, just like it is the case in ANY other competitive game
Oh, and give the casual players a casual mode if they want to play casually (every other competitive game has that too)
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@Might_Oakk just out of curiosity, do you play on PS4? I played you twice yesterday if so once you killed me once I got away I think you had one of the new billy outfits on if I’m not mistaken0
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@lyric said:
@Might_Oakk just out of curiosity, do you play on PS4? I played you twice yesterday if so once you killed me once I got away I think you had one of the new billy outfits on if I’m not mistakenYup, I do. I just missed the y on Mighty here and don't care enough to remake. Gg
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RUIN. Haha. Get it? Cuz the hex? No? Nobody? What’s that? You want me to leave? Alright I’m going.Darksilk said:Or ban those who ruin the game for both killer and survivors0
