I'm a killer main and I played with detective's hunch on rank 1. I dealt with noed in 19/20 games.

How you playing against red ranks tho? When I queue with my non red rank friend I barely get under 8 killers 🤔.

Also do bones bruhhhh.

Totems are usually not a big deal. The trouble is when you're not in a SWF and can't rely on teammates to also cleanse. You can know the totem spawns well and cleanse every totem that you come across, but if you're the only one doing it NOED is probably still going to be applied to the one or two totems you didn't cleanse, which are also probably better hidden since you didn't find it and cleanse it. This is especially tough on maps like Backwater Swamp where finding totems can be a nightmare; if you cleanse the totems that are easy to find, you're not going to find that NOED. It's hard to justify running a perk like Detective's Hunch just in case the killer has NOED, although I'll happily run it with a map, but still. On almost all maps a team of four players should be able to find and cleanse every totem without too much trouble.

I think that NOED's fair enough and that you're right, though. If you've powered all gens, you're probably ahead. Just take a little bit of time along the way to cleanse.

I would support a totem counter in the HUD as a buff to solo queue, though. It could be helpful for killer too, because they also benefit from knowing if their NOED is going to proc or not. It might give them a reason to keep an eye on the last dull if they only see one totem left on the counter, for example.

You probably would have a higher survival rate if you just noted where all the totems were and did your gens - then dealt with noed. If it appeared at all. NOED only appears in maybe 20% of my games - and you can usually tell it's coming...the killer is bad (camper or cannot catch anyone) or just doesn't care about protecting gens.

You are also destroying anyone else's chance of getting benefit from Inner Strength by totem hunting to the exclusion of anything else.

I can answer your question honestly, but given that you made a forum account to post this, I think it's pretty self evident.

Someone is salty because they lost a game to NOED 😂

NOED ain't even that good of a perk. Your basically handicapping yourself by running 3 perks all game. Also very rarely can you snowball from it unless the team is overly altruistic. Mostly just gets you one hook for the most part.

A better alternative to NOED is easily Rancor. Not only do you get a Bitter Murmur like effect but you can mori the obsession at the end which is so fun 😂

That being said I think NOED is a must for this game. Wastes good survivors time with totems which slows down gen speeds which are hard as killer to deal with already. Also helps new killers who get bullied the entire game get some well deserved payback.

Put it this way, Its a good crutch perk until you get good as killer :)

Do bones.

But the mere fact that a perk is required (not necessarily "required" but for the sake of my point I'm using the word despite that not being exactly what I mean) for you to deal with noed at all is extremely dumb. As a general point of reference - perks whose sole purpose are to counter other perks are notoriously unfun to use, why should you have to waste a perk slot just to deal with a different perk that is horribly designed.

Nope, no thanks. I maintain my stance that these old world perks like NOED and Decisive Strike need to be reworked ASAP and in their current state have no place in the modern game in 2020.

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My solo build is DH, Inner Strength, Detectives hunch and DS, barring teammates who can't do chases to save their lives (literally), I escape fairly often.

Detectives gives a buttload of info that can help your game go very well, such as spotting potential 3-gens to deal with them before it's too late.

I am entirely aware of what Detective's Hunch does, however, the way OP framed his thread implies "I played at high ranks (because of a friend in SWF who boosted me), with Detective's Hunch on, and because of this I was able to deal with NOED 90% of the time". I didn't write that, he did, and therefore the implication of the claim still stands. "Because I was running DH, I was able to deal with NOED" how the hell else am I supposed to interpret "I played with Detective's Hunch on rank 1. I dealt with NOED in 19/20 games." There is a very clear and blatant cause and effect being described here or at the very, very, very least a correlation that is being hinted at.

I already pointed out my wording and spelled out that I didn't actually mean it was required, thank you for ignoring me.

That being said I would argue no, it's not down to laziness at all. Maybe in casual games at mid-ranks or in low ranks where people don't know what they're doing it is, but in Red Ranks where people are constantly going sweaty and hard in many of their matches this is simply not true. When the killer is actually doing a decent job at applying pressure, winning and ending chases, slowing or even stopping gen progression completely, telling any survivor to stop what they're doing and go look around the map for dull totems based on the off-chance that NOED exists is extremely debilitating.

And that's the part you're purposefully leaving out, when either the killer has the upper hand, or even when both the killer and survivors are equally contesting the match, going on a crusade to destroy each and every totem on the map can and will simply eat away at too much of the survivors time and potentially is a decision that could cost survivors the match. That is precious time you're not spending repairing generators, saving teammates off hooks, or healing teammates to full health states. Not to mention, on certain maps more than others Totem spots are well hidden and can be incredibly difficult to find: maps like the Red Forest which are huge, maps like Swamp which are cluttered with all manner of reeds and other assets, indoor maps like lery's where the rooms are basically a maze also creates difficulty. Meaning more time just looking for these dull totems, again with no clear indicator of whether or not you're actually achieving anything- perhaps the killer isn't even running NOED at all and you just placed your teammates into a dangerous situation and costing everyone the match because one or two players mismanaged their time looking for dull totems.

To which I would expect someone will reply to me: "oh! But you can just use Detective's Hunch or Small Game on those maps to make finding totems easier and more quickly" to which I will immediately repeat my earlier statement: the fact that a perk would need to be required and thus a perk slot wasted just to deal with another badly designed perk is extremely dumb. So you pick and choose what you're trying to say because you can't tell me both without a contradiction: either perks like Detective's Hunch aren't required and all totems can still be cleansed easily on all maps without the perk, or Detective's Hunch is required and thus survivors are forced to waste a perk slot every match.

On that note even if you were able to prove to me that dealing with NOED is not difficult, that still doesn't detract from my point that NOED is a poorly designed perk in the first place. Regardless of whether or not you can deal with it, it doesn't change the fact that it's a perk that provides a powerful effect rewarding players who have done nothing. The distinction being made here is that it provides a powerful effect, and the player running it did absolutely nothing to earn it. As opposed to other Hex: Perks like Devour Hope, Ruin, Huntress Lullaby, all of these require that some effort be put into the match in order to reap their benefits not to mention that these actually carry the risk of being cleansed at any moment during the match. Whereas there is very little risk to running NOED as the first time you're made aware of it is by the time it's already in play applying pressure. So already NOED is fundamentally flawed at a very basic level, even without the problems created by "do we cleanse and lose the match or not cleanse and hope for the best".