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Lets talk about hook camping
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That's the basic principle. If you're standing there and another surv approaches, you're still camping there.
And as I said. You can stand there for like 10-20 secs. But if you're standing there longer you're absolutely face camping. That's still valid for my suggested approach.
Yeah that's another solution, yet they stopped any approach that aimed to disadvantage campers by remembering them and letting others know so they could dodge them. Which would also suffice IMO. Of course, very skilled killers could falsely be dodged then but then that should not occur because the matchmaking should ensure only matching players are facing each other.
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Again, your suggestion (sorry to say) is a waste of time. They will not be doing anything so drastic. They MIGHT increase the point penalty to campers, but that is it. That is because Killers are Players too and they have agency. Just like you, they get to make choices in their personal style (right or wrong). Nobody wants to be reduced to a Bot. The sooner you accept that Face Camping is a necessary evil to the virtual world, and will take care of itself, the happier you will be.
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Ye preventing dodging killers that use broken mechanics to win and that are not fun to play and in the same time allowing them to play trash and to give a really bad experience days after days to survivors without any sanction...
I don't understand this, developpers who claim to be benevolent and progressists, but tend to favor trash ppl to play the game.
"Ye go on, you want to destroy survivors evening, go on, you are free to do it".
The problem is real, in red ranks, games after games it's terrible. I'm forcing myself to play more and more killer to give a decent experience to survivors. I'm trying to never tunnel or camp.
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Good for you. I like the idea of Santa Killer out there. I do believe in Santa. Of course, I don't know what you are talking about. I play against Red Rank Killers and Survivors, and I haven't run into a Face Camper since I left the Green Ranks. It suffices to say I don't think you are being that honest with us. But I suppose it is possible. Random games and infinite variety being what it is... that perhaps you vary from the experiences of myself and MOST people I know.
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You happen to be very narrow minded in regards of geographic distribution of face campers. I you're playing in the US - sure, you might be lucky and not encounter many face campers. If you're playing in EUW - welcome to 5 different killers within 20 matches when playing on non-weekends. And 2 of them being face campers destroys the whole game. There's even that "Block" feature since 4.x.0, but hmm I block some killer and magically he's there again and again. ALWAYS face camping. Just because I'm good at looping and he can't counter it until I run out of options he can give me -1 if he wants to.
And in comparison: Survivors body blocking is a bannable offense as opposed to nice face camping. The effect is as bad with face camping.
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Interesting. I wasn't aware that other countries had different policies. I thought we were all under the same rules. Even so, camping (however you want to define it) has been around since the game was released and it will be here till the game finally shuts down. I'm simply pragmatic about it. On any given day we probably get 1-2 threads added where someone suggests how Camping, Tunneling, and Slugging can be fixed. The answer from the DEV is always the same, i.e. they aren't broken.
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Skills have nothing to do with it, unless you're running specific perks, you can't do anything about early/mid game face camping & it's boring as hell.
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No but spotting and cleansing Totems is easy Blood Points, a separate emblem. It is a good habit to pick up, particularly if you have a camping idiot who gives you free time. It is like leaving money on the table. That and they will NEED to have a habit of doing Bones as soon as they leave the potato ranks. To me it is a good habit to practice.
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... No, because if you wander around doing totems instead of gens when someone is being camped, then the camper is just going to find someone else to camp because you handed him a bunch of free time instead of gen rushing. Do you not play survivor at all? Lol.
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It's worse if you are given one second of freedom to pull the person off the hook (with Borrowed Time) and the killer ends up tunneling them until they go down anyways. I hate tunneling and camping, there is no reason for it, I have done 4 stacks with killers by playing normally and been just fine.
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Yeah, I do. But we aren't talking about a normal camper here. We are talking about a FACE camper who is going to sit there until that person sacs out. And new Players do need to practice looping Skills. Practicing how to make Skill Checks for Generators only goes so far. You know that and I know that. They might as well practice against some bad Killer and get some time in. I'm not saying they should suicide. I'm saying new Players need to hone some other Skills. If they want to get out as fast as possible, doing nothing but Generators against a Face Camper will do that. They will get NOTHING else out of it.
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You obviously don't play survivor at all, because everything you're saying makes no sense against a face camper.
No one is going to learn/practice looping skills against a face camper because face campers don't interact with anyone. They catch one person and they sit in one spot and they down the person again when you take them off hook. There's nothing else you can do about it. The literal only thing you can do is do gens and move on and hope for a less ######### killer in your next match.
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I do play Survivor; just did a grind for a million BP so I could take Blight to forty and unlock his Perks for my Mikey in fact. Again, you are missing the point I'm making. When the Face Camper's first victim sac's out he will finally start looking for another one. By that time they will have a lot of Generators up, probably some Totems cleansed, and there will be some chases. The Killer probably will down another one and repeat the same behavior. Early games are practice game to learn Skills, ALL of the different Skills. Skill Checks are mastered within three games. Chases, vaults, looping, and so on takes a LOT more work and is very important. I'm just not sure why you would advise people NOT to try and get practice in against what is clearly a BAD Killer.
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Do you even know what you're arguing? Lol, because you have like, changed your argument in every reply.
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I'm know exactly what I'm arguing. I'm saying Bad Killers (and by definition a Face Camper is one) are the best kind of Killer to practice against. Never again will any new Player, after moving away from those early Ranks where the Face Campers are numerous, have such utter garbage to practice against. I just don't think new Players benefit from being taught only to Gen-Rush.
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Easy answer - you meet a killer like that or teammates without a killer camping / tunneling killer who just won't save teammates - suicide hook and move on to the next game and hope for better teammates in the case of non camping / tunneling killers and / or a killer who doesn't make the game miserable.
Actually both types make the game miserable.
Suicide hooking is your friend. You deprive everyone the way they are depriving you. Yup I'm salty tonight.
And this come from me being very bitter since I spent all last night and tonight dealing with both of those and I'm like "bite me."
Yes -let me be a warning to all - this is how you end up feeling after wearing Kindred once too often.
Edit to add - like you I don't mind them being at the hook for a bit, or leaving and coming back after giving time - but when they are right there and then IF you get off the hook - they down you again - yeah just bad. That's why if I see a camper - I'm just gone. There is no point, at that point, to even try to play.
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Neod activates after the gates are POWERED, not opened. So if the gates are never powered then you never needed to use it in the first place. Just wanted to point that out. Otherwise, I agree.
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A FACE camper? A real FACE camper?
Protip: Face camping doesn't exist anymore. Only people from 2016/early 2017 know what face camping is. Nobody who came after that has a clue.
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Its rather sad to see people still cry for facecamping. Its been removed with the swivel hooks.
Someone mentioned facecamping ve some objective fact, how can this be when the definition of that term keeps changing.
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I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not but if not ...
I've only been around since the summer and yes, I know what it means and yes I've seen it quite a bit.
A killer literally standing at the hook at your face. Sometimes they keep smacking you or puking on you - the whole time you are on the hook. People have broadened it a bit to included a killer staying very close to the hook - like within 8 feet and walking around although that really is camping not face camping.
Now from some killers standpoints I see where they say "It will make you better players" as it is a strategy but what they forget is us solos that are not in a SWF suffer greatly as a result because our teammates don't care to risk it. If it were an SWF - yup I can see where that kind of thing would help make people better at the game as most swf's will help eachother. The solos are often hung out to bleed.
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I mean heres the problem i have whit the staying near the hook thing i literally was lopped around a hooked person and im aparently "camping"
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The response is:
If you can, tell the one being hooked to struggle until the end, rush gens and get out. If you get found next and face camped as well, do the same, buy as much time as you can for the remaining ones. Never feed the camper easy kills, make it as boring and uneventful as you can. If all do this, the killer will eventually change his playstyle or quit the game, out of boredom.
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You haven't seen face camping. Face camping has a meaning, and it's no longer possible. It hasn't been since 2016/2017. You admit you're new - so stop trying to school me on what you have no clue about.
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Wait, this thread isn't dead yet? Are u guys really talking about face camping for three sites yet?
Ok...
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According to all the webpages I've read and what other users / players have said:
Should I go on...
Now the only change you are referencing is apparently they could get even closer and prevent and other player from unhooking. Everything else is the same minus that bug.
So - consider that rude one :-p
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Those definitions are incorrect, and were created by people who weren't around to experience true face camping, which, again was removed.
People just started using the term to describe something else.
Face camping is when the killer could literally block you from being unhooked, which is no longer possible because you can unhook from any direction. You're not right here. The entire premise of FACE CAMPING was the ability to block the unhook. That was the defining characteristic. Without it, it's just camping.
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Ye, different countries, different culture of gaming or even winning.
I know what i will say next will sound racist for some but it's not.
Russian language players (most of them not 100%) will camp and tunnel as killers and won't help much as survivors. It's the way they play, they try hard and wanna win no matter what, even if we can't call it a gg when they 4K.
I repeat, i like Russia, Russians and even the way they take geo political decisions but i don't like the way most of them play Dead By Daylight, and seeing the number of threads about them when you google it, i'm not the only one... and this for years.
Some other players from other countries are T-Bagging much, others are playing really fair, even if they don't do any kill etc...
Atm, i'm playing killer and try to play as clean as possible without tunneling at least till end game.
The developpers' answer might be what it is but in EU red rank, 3/4 of the games are a terrible experience for survivors. One get tunneled and camped; killers are even stoping chase with an injured survivor to come back to the hook and hit the one that just has been saved etc...
It's terrible, you need to do yoga to absord so much frustration 😂
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Why are you telling me? That's what I was saying the whole time.
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Justified camping is after all 5 gens are finished. making sure a survivors goes into stage 2 if they're really close isn't camping either imo
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Justified camping is whenever the Killer feels it is tactically wise. They are not bots. They have agency, and just like you desire to make their own choices. The only thing that proves the value of the camping is the end results, i.e. did the tactic produce a winning game. In short, they don't have to justify their choices to you or anyone else. You don't have to justify what Perks you take or the choices you make in game either.
In short, you do you and let other Players (Killer and Survivor alike) do them.
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Actually - justified camping is any time the killer camps. There is no rule book. They can do what they want. Their job is to murder survivors. Therefore, if they choose camping to get the job done, it's justified.
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Isn't that what I just said? :)
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Nope. You said whenever they feel like it's tactically wise. I'm saying it's perfectly justified even when they just feel like camping, knowing it's not tactically wise.
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Yeah... WHENEVER the Killer feels it is tactically wise, which is exactly the same as whenever the Killer decides to do it. Whether it is a good call or not is only known after the game is over.
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Thank you for taking the time to explain the origins. I have a great deal of appreciation for your approach here than originally. :-) Very appreciated. :-) It's also a good history lesson about the game as well.
Those past ones did note the problematic originally facecamping issues - which would have been terrible! EKKK Much worse than now. I'd to hate to have played back then and I bet I lot of people left if that didn't get resolved quickly. (I say now only because while the original use of facecamping obviously differs, in so much that the bug no longer exists as part of it.)
The result appears to be that the term, like many things in life, has evolved from it's originally use and meaning, to what it is today.
There really is no better description of a killer literally in someones face on a hook the whole , or most of the time, than facecamping. :-)
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