hey BHVR? what incentive is there to stay at rank1 besides having a rough time?

They stated there would be Leaderboards and such back when they laid out the Roadmap for the New Chapters. Have seen nothing about this since then, so I'm assuming they just gave up on it even though the playerbase has been asking for this for a while now.

They should set up Rank Resets as Seasonal though with a new one for each new chapter. Rather than this monthly garbage. Then you'd have to play X number of matches, or X% of your matches at certain ranks. It's disgustingly easy to Rank up right now, so actually achieveing that Rank is nothing. Managing to stay at that Rank, or higher, though would provide a decent base for rewards.

The only incentive to stay at R1 is when you can't be bothered with deranking. Luckily the game will help you derank without sacrificing BP if you camp hooks after the next patch.

Either way, survivors will be the same at mid to high ranks. Since it is so easy for them to rank up without doing anything, most of the times even without surviving, there is no noticeable skill difference between R10 and R1 survivors.

@Vietfox said:
Skemooo said:

why should i climb ranks when i have more fun at rank 10? rank 1 games on both sides are not enjoyable at all..if i could earn more BP or shards by staying at top 5 ranks ill happily endure some of the toxic plays at rank 1.. other than that im not having a good time in rank 1.. will address this or the only solution is to derank and make otehr players who were properly playing suffer?

I don't really know what's the problem on having tougher matches, i personally have more fun when i have to face challenging killers/survivors.
Rank 1 is not difficult to reach at all, so i don't think we should be rewarded for that unless they change the rank system.

Lower rank survivors are fun to play against, because their lack of skill is compensated by game mechanics such as "equip and pass 1 skill check to fix completely messing up" perks.

When their skill levels catch up to the killer's, they still have access to these mechanics which further reinforce their overall performance beyond what killers can defeat with pure skill alone.

Meanwhile, BHVR is too busy laughing at the "asymmetrical games are impossible to balance" meme.

@DeadByFlashlight said:

@MegaWaffle said:

@Blood_Coil_Viper said:
They really need to add rank rewards. And good ones at that. Things that reward players for staying at rank 1 because right now if someone doesn't like the challenge they just derank with no punishment. 

If they add rank rewards they first need to address the problem with DCing because people will only become more incentivize to DC if they know they are going to lose a pip. Once you add rewards to any competitive setting people tend to get more competitive by nature and will develop frustration quicker at the thought of losing progress.

Fix DCing first then figure out a reward system OR remove rank entirely.

DBD is not a competitive game, a lot of things have to change before that can happen, to name a few: dedicated servers, SWF and general balancing around rank 1

Which we know is not going to happen because of possible resources, especially if the failure of Deathgarden has caused any issues on the overall financial end.

The best thing they can do at this point is to choose an identity. Either they are a casual game or a Ranked game. Right now, they are trying to be a Ranked game but in a casual way, and when these two worlds collide in games, it is never pretty.

They need to create an Unranked mode that works off a hidden MMR, and then make the Rank mode harder to gain Ranks in (and remove the safety Pip from it), and start from there.

Add 10000 BP for each pip earned at rank 1. That's a nice incentive to get rank 1 and try to do well.

powerbats said:

@Blood_Coil_Viper said:
RSB said:

they should add rewards, something like this:

* 1000 shards for hitting R10
* 2000 shards for R5
* 3000 shards for R1

OR

* 500000 BPs for R10
* 1500000 BPs for R5
* 2500000 BPs for R1

OR (what would be awesome) they could release seasonal skins available only by reaching ranks. Like:

* seasonal weapon skin for X killer from Y set for reaching R10
* seasonal torso skin for X killer from Y set for R5
* seasonal head skin for Y killer from Y set for R1

etc

Seasonal cosmetics sound cool. Though they should probably be awarded by staying at rank 1 for X amount of time so people can't just get there and then derank. Maybe awarding a bonus X% of bloodpoints per match at rank 1 would help too? If a survivor is rank one and uses SWF to play against a low rank killer those points should not be awarded. 

This probably a little rich but a good baseline to start from and move to something less rich but also different ways. I do think you should be able to earn extra pips at rank 1 say 5-7 so one game of getting hard camped doesn't put you right back at rank 2.

Perhaps the shards could tie into the ranks like you said but also be increase based upon Devotion level.

Rank 10 - 100 shards
Rank 5 - 250 shards
Rank 1 - 500 shards

Since you don't want to make shards have an inflationary or deflationary issue and be valuable still. Since you also get them for leveling up with Devotion. So say Devotion level 1 increases those gains by 1% and to keep people from simply deranking/ranking to farm you input a cap.

Those rewards are only granted once per season so if you hit 5 then derank to 10, you can't rank back up and get the same ones again.

Rank rewards need to be implemented in tandem with the ranks not resetting every single month.

And, also, ranking up needs to be adjusted with deprecation rates, and a more difficult climb the higher you go.

However, the playing field needs to be even for killers before this would be a feasible update path, so we'll likely wait an extremely long time before it's even considered.

Global said:

@Lowbei said:
the incentive is that rank1 is where the most challenge is and thus where you develop the most skill.

If you are already at rank 1 how much skill can you make that you dont already have since..well its rank 1

@Tsulan said:
Global said:

@Lowbei said:

the incentive is that rank1 is where the most challenge is and thus where you develop the most skill.

If you are already at rank 1 how much skill can you make that you dont already have since..well its rank 1

You perfection the art of running in circles. 

Alternative option stay at rank without being a looping master and learn how to get better with all facets of gameplay, maps layouts, skill checks, characters, perk mastery etc.

@Tsulan said:

Alternative option stay at rank without being a looping master and learn how to get better with all facets of gameplay, maps layouts, skill checks, characters, perk mastery etc.

I was talking from the killers perspective. 
I don't loop as survivor. 

Technicality.
I do but I suck at it so i generally try and avoid it at all costs.

@Tsulan said:
powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

Alternative option stay at rank without being a looping master and learn how to get better with all facets of gameplay, maps layouts, skill checks, characters, perk mastery etc.



I was talking from the killers perspective. 

I don't loop as survivor. 

Technicality.

I do but I suck at it so i generally try and avoid it at all costs.

I hate getting looped. Because I know that every second I waste on that loop is a second 3 survivors can peacefully complete gens.
That's why I don't loop or use DS. 

DS Hissssss

@Lowbei said:
Global said:

@Lowbei said:

the incentive is that rank1 is where the most challenge is and thus where you develop the most skill.

If you are already at rank 1 how much skill can you make that you dont already have since..well its rank 1

this is a perfect example of what im talking about. rank1 play is much different than 2-20, so people “get” there then then think theyre good and stop playing till the reset or intentionally depip, giving themselves some ridiculous excuse like “rank1 is for tryhards” or “just not fun”.

its like finally making it to the big leagues then quitting before your first game because you dont need to prove anything else

The biggest advantage used to be that you'd have really competent people on both sides, very few campers and killers that were very sneaky. The survivors weren't complete boobs and wouldn't rush the hook, if you got the rare camper they'd gen rush.

The person on the hook being camped would sit there and do the camped signal and do nothing else but struggle once they hit phase 2. The totems would get cleansed, the one good looper would get aggro and would eventually get downed and camped.

The killers would find someone pretty quickly and either down them or go find someone else, gen pressure would be good and games would be fun for both sides most of the time. Now however it's a complete clusterfeck and you're as likely to get griefed as you are to get competent people.

For killers you're more likely to get 3-4k now and then get the occasional head scratching games where someone either rns into you so they can depip or or you ge 4-5 minute games.

sixty4half said:

Skemooo said:

 will address this or the only solution is to derank and make otehr players who were properly playing suffer?

I call bullshit on this part.  You can't have it both ways.  If you're losing games, then you are already losing pips.

Deranking = losing games to avoid losing games

That's the dumbest logic that gets thrown around this forum.