endless camping - any suggestions for improvement ?

Rush gens, campers will get very few BP automatically. If you're on the hook, stay there as long as possible. Play stealthily if you don't want to be the first one on the hook.

Two notes:

• Cant confirm the camping. I have normal games most of the time.
• And how you know they were SWF? I assume guessing

There is not really a way to punish camping without making the game look seriously foolish. Like the cage warp when PH camps them. Thats a bandaid because they reintroduced facecamping with it. The REAL facecamping, where the killer could block the "safe" spot, because there is only one spot you need to stand on to perform the unhook/uncage. Facecamping was solved by swivel hooks, so you can unhook from 180° and not from a blockable spot. So they invented the cage warp instead of swivel cages. Imo both a silly solution.

If you want to solve camping, would you like to have hook warping? Yeah... 0 BP? Yeah... how about simply making the killer explode or get stomped by the entity yelling "Th4t's n0 eN+erTa1nMent 4 M3!" would justify the 0BP and ruin killers fun as well. And just to be fair, clicking flashlights too often in a short time should make them explode with an own mori animation included as well. Pressing CTRL too often should make survivors fart bloody, shitting out a 1000BP for each consecutive crouch. If we get to that point, I simply quit the game.

I know this is exaggerating, but there is simply no solution that does not head towards "hook warping" or "entity stomping"

I'm fine with everything except killers being able to grab at the hook. Turn that off and the problem is somewhat solved for me.

A very large majority of the time camping goes unpunished for some reason. If the survivors realize the killer is camping they can just start slamming out gens and the killer will get at most 1 or 2 kills and around 5-10k blood points. Instead they start throwing themselves at the hook and end up giving the killer either a 4k or a ton of blood points and emblem points.

In fact, the current rank system does punish camping as long as no other survivors are within 16 meters of the hook and do their objectives:

• If gens get done fast they get a bad gatekeeper.
• If they only hooked one person one time and they died the killer gets bronze devout. Silver for 2 people.
• They won't get many malicious points because they aren't hitting survivors much.
• They lose chaser points every second for standing near a hook while no other survivors are nearby.

I will agree that it isn't fun for anybody but killers will keep doing it as long as survivors aren't punishing it. If they do it and see good results (pip up, 2+ kills, decent blood points) because survivors are throwing themselves at the hook, why would they stop?

I'm against harsher measures because there are some times where you do need to legitimately hang out around the hook - that mainly being to either exploit overly altruistic SWFs or when nobody shows up on barbecue. The dev team could really, really reduce camping by making Kindred part of the base kit though.

Borrowed time , deliverance, unbreakable, ds

I know they are all strong perks but if they aren't playing for everyone to have fun, you don't have to play so they have fun

When teamates being camped rush in for save

Unhook them with bt

Get safe unhook

Get hooked

Use deliverence

Use unbreakable and ds to waste time or escape situation

I feel that most of the time killers who camp aren’t doing it cuz they think of it as a “strat”. They know it irks other players and I honestly believe that’s why they do it. People who camp know the won’t get as much BP from actually playing. To me campers are people who thrive on ruining others games. I feel that the “it’s a tactic” excuse is just a shield people use. I only say this out of my personal experiences feel free to tell me how wrong I am or whatever idc. But from the end game chats I’ve seen from people who camp to the toxic behavior they have in game I downright don’t believe that people do it because they think of it as a strategy to use other than to just be an #########.

Run Kindred: the best Info Perk a Solo Player could want.

Found first? Loop the Killer as long as possible.

Hooked first and Facecamped? Stay on hook for as long as possible, Kindred is there to tell the other 3 to stay on Gens instead of wasting time with a fruitless rescue attempt. (Well unless you get potato teammates who decide it's a smart idea to crouch 10 feet away from you and do nothing, yell at them instead)

Someone else is Hooked and Facecamped? Hope they're smart enough to stay on the hook for as long as possible, Kindred tells you to stay on gens instead of wasting time going to check or attempt a fruitless rescue.

So you're basically saying you resort to scummy tactics because you can't play properly against people who just want to play. a multiplayer game mind you, with their friends? Very, very sad.

You probably win 80%+ of your matches. A balanced winrate would be 50/50%. You sound like you just want to 4k every match without any effort. You also sound like the "facecamp a default meg at 5 gens" type of gamer. Play animal crossing if you want to have a casual gaming experience.

thats like claiming that all killers just play to ruin survivors experiences. most swf are alright and play just for fun. you can even use their coms against them with trapper and hag.

you need 5 players for kyf. and you cant earn bp or complete challenges or dailys. and you need to play alot to complete the rift in time.

playings with solos is often unfun with so many ppl without any gamesense in red ranks and not really balanced when the killer brings the strong stuff.

you forget the decent players fast but the super toxic swf or hardcore genrusher are staying longer in your mind.

at most days i dont struggel much against most swf and i play a bit handicaped.

i saw many killer fail because they camped and tunneled. there are enough perks to punish those strategies and the other 3 survivors have to stick at the gens. and its true that campers are often bad chasers. 4-5 gen chases are not that rare when the killer only has a few hundred hours and basicly camped his way into the red rank without really learning the game.

and than they need their ebonys and pink addons to stay there, but they wont get much better.

let's start insulting if you have nothing else to say. thanks

I'm not blaming everyone else. I just said that your 0 BP solution is nothing but a revenge wish rather than a solution. That won't fix anything, only allow you say in chat "enjoy your 0 BP" or whatever.

About the SWF: yay, bet that happens all the time you accuse someone of being in SWF. For me, it happens regularly that killers "reading ability" is pretty crap. Sufficient to bring a map when someone else brings a key to be SWF. Or when a breakout works out. Or when 2 people body block to grant a gate escape. Or when a totem gets cleansed by someone else than the killer expects. Or just by being from the same country... I bet you never expect SWF because of things like that, like everyone else does when complaining about SWF, which in 90% of games does not even take major effect on the game.

Oh, and almost forgot to rant back: sad you play in a black bubble. Bad for you. I'd just advice to praise a little less entitlement, keeps raising the fun of the game. But what do I know.

No need to respond, I'm done with the thread

1. Ha ha, that's a good one. "Official " killer ratings mean nothing in the game. Trapper is listed as "easy". Do I need to explain? Myers has a very low skillcap and no, his "toolbox" is not complicated. Myers is just plain bad and needs a buff. You want a hard killer with a high skill cap? Play nurse, huntress or hillbilly.
2. Are you blaming people for wanting to play with friends? Especially when the solo queue experience is horrendous? Anyway, if you don't like 4 man SWFs, you can always dodge them by checking their profiles. Easy enough. Don't see the issue.
3. God forbid I too want to play with my friends sometimes. I play both sides, and I try to have fun playing as both of them. I'm not biased at all. And I hate to break it to you, no. Myers is not a hard killer. One of the easier ones to play, in fact. There are no advanced tactics to him, which is why he is so bad. He's just a basic M1 killer with a low skillcap.

It's nice to see that you agree with me, have a nice one