Killer entitlement with the lobby cherry picking and dc's

Eveline said:

Maybe I will just switch out of DBD in general since everyone is so biased.

If everyone thinks the earth is round and you think it's flat, could it be that the others are right?
Naaaa 

As a “survivor main” myself I’m appalled. There really shouldn’t be a discussion here.

Dead by Daylight is not mechanically designed to take into consideration survivor players being able to communicate so effectively. Being able to determine the killer’s location, communicate where hex totems or chests are located (or what’s in the chests), to talk with each other about the last few generator(s) to focus on, the list of advantages SWF gives survivors is obscene and the surface has barely been scratched.

With regards to camping/tunneling, flashlight spam (if that’s even a thing) one or two controversial perks (on both sides) and even taunting and bad bahaviour – those things are all fine (if frowned upon), but SWF really is something else.

And “lobby dodging” to avoid SWF is not comparable AT ALL to mid-game rage-quitting. The latter is inexcusable in almost all circumstances and utterly contemptable. Whereas, I really don’t blame killer lobby dodging. In fact, in the spirit of fair play and respect, I encourage it.

Why is this being discussed?

@Giche said:

Amen to that.

It's discussed because a lot of players would rather lobby to keep the game imbalanced AKA keep their bullying simulator as much as they can.

You're talking to peoples who when hearing a potential Freddy buff, proceed to lobby against it, and defended Infinites back then, even knowing it's bullshit they would still defend it at all cost.

"Because it's FUN (TM)."

And since this situation is rotting for years, Devs basically created a Troll paradise.

And they conviniently keep this toxic atmosphere, since they noticed it bringed a lot of Ochido wannabe.

It's their cash cow, and they'll never get rid of it as long as it keep doing his job.

Don't put your hope too high for seeing drastic change coming soon.

Or at all.

You're right aren't you. Youtube is a massive indirect advertising platform and will drive up sales regardless of the fact it's "fun" at the expense of a minority. Hell, I've laughed at Ochido.

In the face of this, I would've hoped the more savvy members of the community would tolerate lobby dodging. Lobby dodging is at least is an "valid" (if very frowned upon) and (clearly) necessary counter move, but no. There isn't a sense of sportmanship or challenge. I had no idea I was such a "Samurai".

It's painfully clear that the survivor side is (overall) in the wrong! And herein is the root of DBDs toxicity problem.

Eveline said:

Anyway I'm done, it's pointless. This community is by far the most toxic one I encountered. 

Then just walk away.  Your continued insistence that you are leaving is a running joke at this point.

Wolf74 said:

@Tsulan said:

No problem

A lot of people that do not play "enough" or "high ranking" matches, don't see it coming, but when I see a bright colored Claudette with a med kit or a flashlight, I KNOW she wants to be chased. The Medkit will be insta or the flashlight is used to click at me to get attention.
If someone with a streamer tag is not ready up as a plain Dwight, I KNOW he will last second swap to P3 Claudette.
When I see profiles with hidden friendslists, but public groups like DBD-survivor-teammate-finder or Ochido fan group, I just know what to expect.
etc.
etc.

Wait she wants it because she wears bright clothes? 
Seriously? That's really scary logic. 

Tsulan said:

Eveline said:

Everyone? You mean bunch of hypocrite killers.

This is going back and forth.
Killers saying lobby dodging is not the same as disconnecting mid match and you claiming that it's the same. 

Would you really prefer to lose all offerings, points and several minutes, instead of some seconds to join a new lobby?

You make an excellent point. Maybe if there was a queued up list and killers could choose which lobby to play? It would incentivise positive changes and it would eliminate the dodging.

It would be more like picking someone to play a game in middle school. If you're always last picked either you change your behavior or quit the game because you'll never be picked to play. 

slingshotsurvivor said:

sixty4half said:

Yes.  Yes it is entitlement.  And I feel entitled to my entitlement.  And I will conti us to use whatever is in my power at any time that I deem it appropriate.  Theres nothing any victims can do about it.  Why is this thread so long?

Victims felt so entitled to play with their friends that they literally got the developers to cave and add SWF so dont you dare talk to killers about entitlement.

In a perfect world what would a surv set up look like? One where you wouldn't be inclined to lobby dodge? 

I can't answer that for you.  Well, what I mean is, I can't give you THE definitive answer.  I dont presume to speak for all killers.  

I will leave the lobby if all 4 people join at same time AND one of the following conditions are met; MORE than 2 toolboxes OR dont ready up

I've said for a long time now survivors should get x time to lock in say at 15 seconds and then the killer gets the remaining 10 seconds to pick their loadout. What would help is if their was loadouts you could choose that you've preset with your perks and (items survivor side)/addons.

That would really speed up choices and the killer has 10 seconds to choose what they want perhaps even have certain perks/addons favorited for easier access. That way both sides can ready up and the jerks that like to last second switch can't.

As far as not readying up I often don't if the killers ping is fluctuating non stop or goes up and down due to them either downloading or checking profiles.

Now speaking of profiles i've got mine set to private so i don't get trolls commenting nor checking my profile and trying to harass people on my friends list. It's happened often enough that I just choose not to deal with a bunch if idiots anymore.

I get dodged because my profiles set to private all the time but if you can't handle the fact you can't see my profile too bad. There's killers that check to see if you've got a lot of achievements to dodge you which I find foolish.

If you look at the campfire choosing weaker prey argument that's a really bad argument in the sense that that's not what the entity is looking for. The entity chose you as a killer to go after anyone not pick and choose the weakest prey.

sixty4half said:

slingshotsurvivor said:

sixty4half said:

Yes.  Yes it is entitlement.  And I feel entitled to my entitlement.  And I will conti us to use whatever is in my power at any time that I deem it appropriate.  Theres nothing any victims can do about it.  Why is this thread so long?

Victims felt so entitled to play with their friends that they literally got the developers to cave and add SWF so dont you dare talk to killers about entitlement.

In a perfect world what would a surv set up look like? One where you wouldn't be inclined to lobby dodge? 

I can't answer that for you.  Well, what I mean is, I can't give you THE definitive answer.  I dont presume to speak for all killers.  

I will leave the lobby if all 4 people join at same time AND one of the following conditions are met; MORE than 2 toolboxes OR dont ready up

So as long as it's an easy game or that it lasts longer? 

@Wolf74 said:
Private profile = most likely Swf

Or people that don't like dealing with jerks.

If you'd been an admin for as long as I was both forum and server wise you'd have your profile set to private as well. I've still got on backup all my Sourcebans demo's from CS and all of my ahem hate mail stuff from forums. I kept the SB stuff since I was a senior admin and so I agreed to keep it as a backup which has worked out since their data has gotten corrupted a few times.

The forum stuff I keep because I'm still a member of some of the places and people try and come back and claim they were falsely banned all the time. This includes the correspondence with why they were banned as well as the colorful responses.

If you ask anyone that's done site/server admin for a long time they'll all tell you they keep their Steam profiles private.

The_Crusader said:

@Eveline said:
I find noed, devour hope and moris same as some survivor stuff that killers find op. 

Look at this. DS can only be used once unlike noed or devour hope. Now killers will jump in to say but totems can be easily find which is not a case in every game with different teammates. Sometimes as a survivor you can't counter the killer depending on the team but I don't go around saying killers are op.

lmfao

Devour Hope in 99.9% of cases is gone LONG beofore even 3 tokens pops up, nevermind 5.

NOED I would agree with it's very strong and can feel very cheap. Though as people say it can be countered before it even activates. Decisive Strike can not. Plus you usually get multiple DS per game and it's quite common to be hit with it twice due to hook placement. That's 2 extra chases and hits required which is equivalent to chasing a survivor from full health but not getting a hook out of it. It can add the time of an extra generator on if there's a good pallet/loop nearby.

I play killer and survivor and killer is by far the more stressful. I'd gladly get rid of NOED if we could be done with DS, Adrenaline and all those kind of perks.

You can only use DS once. 

I don't mind the killer perks, add ons or offerings, they add to the drama and intensity of the game.

People often talk about "crutch whatever perk" from each side. I look at it as a tool being used. Often I run into people who don't use the popular stuff and they are usually the most skilled at the game but also can be very mean to the killer/survivor. 

I think a lot of it comes down to behavior. If all the perks, offerings etc. were the same but people treated each other better then the game would be more fun to play. 

Anyone who cherry picks for lobby’s is a sore loser. I play killer nearly every day, multiple times a day, and I don’t experience most of what I’ve been reading people complain about. It’s a GAME. You’re gonna lose sometimes.

Just don’t play the game, that’s my advice. People who play killer and lobby dodge ruin the game for everyone. You don’t know which survivors are going to actually be jerks, and your inference is more likely inaccurate.

This is a classic example of the flawed decision making of consequentialism. People THINK they know what will happen, so they make a decision without considering the deontological aspect. Most people who cherry pick lobby’s are ignorant and make a uniformed decision. Simple as that.

Leave the game with killers who will actually commit to a match.

@not_Queen we need dedicated servers.

I wish we could personally block players who lobby dodge, and players who Dc on the hook. Please give us this ability. >.<

@Wolf74 said:

Just deactivate non friends commenting on your profile and you are fine.
Private profile in DBD is hiding SWF 90% of the time.

that still doesn't stop people from harassing your friends or trying to add them as friends to then harass them. If your friends list could be blocked that wouldn't be as big of an issue then but I've also had people join groups i'm part of and start causing drama.

Just remember never underestimate the determination of someone who's super salty, if given a way they'll find it. I mean look at what PS4 users go through judging by the posts on here.

slingshotsurvivor said:

sixty4half said:

slingshotsurvivor said:

sixty4half said:

Yes.  Yes it is entitlement.  And I feel entitled to my entitlement.  And I will conti us to use whatever is in my power at any time that I deem it appropriate.  Theres nothing any victims can do about it.  Why is this thread so long?

Victims felt so entitled to play with their friends that they literally got the developers to cave and add SWF so dont you dare talk to killers about entitlement.

In a perfect world what would a surv set up look like? One where you wouldn't be inclined to lobby dodge? 

I can't answer that for you.  Well, what I mean is, I can't give you THE definitive answer.  I dont presume to speak for all killers.  

I will leave the lobby if all 4 people join at same time AND one of the following conditions are met; MORE than 2 toolboxes OR dont ready up

So as long as it's an easy game or that it lasts longer? 

You guys need 3 toolboxes to complete gens?  If you suck that badly, then you're not ready to play against me.  I'm taking it easy on you by not forcing you into a game with me.

@sixty4half said:

You guys need 3 toolboxes to complete gens?  If you suck that badly, then you're not ready to play against me.  I'm taking it easy on you by not forcing you into a game with me.

You've never heard of the boring Sabo daily or the perform cooperative actions for a total of 3 minutes? If 2 people are duoing by both bringing TB's they can do that all in 1 match.

Perhaps they've got tons of toolboxes stockpiled from all the times they never brought one in precisely because killers lobby dodge if there's even 1 TB let alone 2 or 1 Tb and another item. I've personally got a huge stockpile of toolboxes, medkits, flashlights etc all because I can't bring one due to lobby dodging.