Should there be a self-use variant of Borrowed Time?

So instead of being that killer that can make mental notes like "Meg has BT, Claduette didn't" now killers just have to assume everyone has BT at all times. Not trying to be mean as I understand your pain when I play solo queue survivor but would it be a crazy idea if survivors just got better at rescuing without BT in most situations where no BBQ auras are shown and 3 survivors rush the hook without BT - I just roll my eyesr. "Camper!" they scream as the killer (or even when I'm on killer) didn't go into the corner and stare at the wall and count til 15 before coming out to play tag again

Hell even with BT - so many survivors love doing 1 for 1 trades by beeling for the hook before the killer has even walked 5m away (maybe because Hook saves give so many points + emblems atm compared to other actions) that I find the perk misused more often than not and why these people aren't bringing it.

Rather than a brand new perk - I would actually suggest to remove the terror radius aspect of Borrowed time itself and just make it straight proximity based like 32m. Freddy's and Wraiths tend to abuse this free slugging mechanic to gain free pressure and it induces frustrations when a perk is just disabled for free... yet another reason why survivors need to learn how to safely rescue

Killer mains will hate your idea, those of us who play both sides shouldn’t mind it

...or this:

Right Back Atcha!

You’re always eager to return the favour!

Injured altruistic survivors who unhook you will receive the endurance status effect for 15 seconds. Any damage taken that would put the altruistic survivor into the dying state will instead apply the deep wound status effect. The altruistic survivor has 10/15/20 seconds to mend themselves.

If the altruistic survivor takes any damage while affected by deep wound or if its timer ends, the altruistic survivor is immediately put into the dying state.

Possibly place a “once per trial” bind on this perk, similar to DS.

It’s like a double BT effect if the unhooking survivor has BT an the hooked survivor has RBA, where no matter which survivor (or both) the killer hits, they won’t get the immediate down. This way the killer can’t simply slug one, then easily tunnel off hook and slug the other.

The other option is to feature a Mettle of Man effect included in the perk to benefit altruistic survivors who are fully healthy when going for the unhook.

This version of the perk would be reserved for Solo que survivors whenever Devs figure out how to make 3 entirely separate queues (SWF/Solo/Killer), making 4 person SWF the ONLY SWF option. Any players who don’t have 4 people, don’t get to SWF and have to play no coms Solo queue.

No mixed queues. Solo queue has a moderate buff to their perks than the nerfed version of the same perks of SWF queue. Players want to play with their friends with coms, they’re playing a nerfed survivor version of DBD.

Killers stop getting nerfed.

Solo queue has a slightly buffed set of perks, items, etc.

This keeps it fair across the board.

That’s what everybody is arguing about the most, everyday. It all stems back to balance.

It would only take a lot of time on devs behalf to get enough personnel working on this feature, put it into play, and have a balanced game. A lot of time, sure... worth it to have a balanced game, absolutely.

The SWF version of RBA would only apply a Second Wind effect (nothing else) to the altruistic survivor, where the injured survivor unhooking gradually is healed over time. This may discourage the killer from tunneling off the hook and instead encourage them to chase the other survivor before they are fully healed.

The game should be receiving core changes to buff teamwork and nerf solo shenanigans. Note I didn't say solo play or solo queues, just doing stuff all on your own in a match. Already the best strat in the game if the survivor team wants to survive is just to split up across the map and do gens solo, and if it's a real good team, just ignore the person on the hook entirely. Altruism is essentially a trap and being near other survivors enables snowballing.

Even working on generators together is often worse because there's a penalty to it. A penalty for working together! You need a perk to cancel out this penalty, it's ridiculous. That doesn't mean there's no benefits to teamwork, of course. A good sabotage or some body blocks can put in some real work at clutch moments, but for the vast majority of the match, it's basically just the killer chasing someone, and anyone not being chased just sitting on a gen.

I think it's a very critical issue that needs to be resolved at a fundamental level. Enough with the band-aid fixes or letting perks be quasi-answers to things. But I bet they're scared stiff to change anything that deep about the game.

Been suggested before and turned down directly by the devs as a tool that survivors would "troll" others with and discourage survivors from going for rescues at all. I can see it being annoying as rescuer too considering how flightly 90% of solo queue survivors are (They saw the aura of a survivor on the opposite of the map being chase while they were hooked and they still go sprinting off after being unhooked and teabagging for a heal from behind cover in the corner of a map...)

I had an idea for Second Wind buff to be kind of like self BT.

Healing a Survivor for 1 health state activates Second Wind, after being unhooked you will be instantly healed to healthy and SW deactivates. (So like Adrenaline does)

While Second Wind is deactivated, heal other Survivors 10/7.5/5 % slower.

Not that I'm really saying this gameplay interaction couldn't be improved but playing it out from both sides. The killer "has to hover around" the hooked person to hopefully chain another hook at this point hoping the survivors don't just all leave. Not saying face camping but giving them just enough room to think they can rescue then downing another person to hook is all he can hope for if EGC is already engaged (meaning door is open) and he isn't running Blood Warden.

For the Killer's side, this usually means he has built up a mental tab on who on the survivor's side has BT and who doesn't... meaning he has a chance to punish over-altruism by using that knowledge to down multiple people and if the save goes off from the BT user(s) then to down the unhooking person quickly.

Playing that same scenario from the Survivor's side - this is the last bit of interaction in what was otherwise a pretty dull game if everyone is still alive and 1 person got hooked (probably rescuing the other guy) and EGC has started. If NO one has BT then you better body block like gods and hope the 3 people are on the same page about it - the goal usually is to get that person who may have DS (or not if he spent it or didn't use it) as close to the door as possible while taking the slug for the team if someone else is going to go down... then crawl out. Obviously if people don't have certain perks that scenario becomes more and more difficult but that's on the SIXTEEN (Twelve here) perk slots to be covering for this scenario. If the group of solo queers or well even SWF decide it isn't worth the effort - then it isn't wrong to just leave. You still "won" by any definition of the game and a potentially fun "high risk" rescue where all 4 people can be slugged and all hooked together is just closed.

Whelp onto the next game... Having a harder time at a 4 man escape because you didn't prepare for it properly should be expected... and for the record it's entirely possible for a team of solo queue folks to come together and rush the hook effectively WITHOUT BT and get out together. It requires a misplay or two from the killer but short of removing grabs for survivors unhooking other survivors (which has been suggested before) it shouldn't ever be a guarantee.

Sorta, but instead of punishing the killer it injures and reveals the guy who didn't hook you safely if you get hit within 10 seconds of being unhooked.

Yes, but only if the Endurance status effect didn't work on protection hits. If there's something I hate is people using it to protect the unhooker while I do my best to be nice and not tunnel.

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I like this idea. You rarely need to use BT more than once per match anyway. As mentioned by others, the BT mechanic is easily "abused" by certain Killers, namely those without a terror radius, or, in the case of Huntress, a long-range "camping" ability. The reason for the quotes is that I don't think this was initially overlooked by the Devs; and secondly, is it really camping when a Huntress does this? Unsure, but it is annoying at times.

As @Xbob42 pointed out, when the gens are completed in a trial, the Killer has little incentive to leave a hooked Survivor. That Survivor is, quite literally, livebait. This is one of those times when I think that "camping" the area around the hook is practical for the Killer. Sure, it sucks when you're the one on the hook, but it's infinity better than watching as your surviving teammates all sacrifice themselves for the ill-advised rescue. Depending on the circumstances, I'll sacrifice myself on hook to discourage this misstep from occurring.