BHVR opened Pandora's Box, so now what happens to Slinger?

sorry, i shouldve been more clear. the "fun wacky #########" i mentioned is using your ability for more than just zone zone, lose/lose, then they die. because if thats all you're good at, and that's the only thing you can do as him, you're a bad pyramid head.

good players should be able to fully-utilise all aspects of a character's kit, and not rely on one single part of it. for example, if you can consistently predict correctly and hit through-the-wall shots on survivors with lots of distance, whilst at the same time being able to efficiently shut down loops, you're a good pyramid head imo and that commands my respect. if you can only shut down loops because of haha sword in ground haha i win no matter what you do, that's not a good pyramid head.

again though, thats completely my own opinion.

I dont think Deathslinger can be fixed with regular tweaks like Pyramid Head, his chase is too strong while everything else on him is absolute rubbish (0 mobility, 0 stalling, 0 speed, no insta-downs etc) if they buff his weakpoints his chase would get out of control, if they nerf his chase he becomes nothing. How do you fix that? you either need major changes or a full rework.

Hmm, I won't go into that. I find him well designed but that's just my opinion.

Yes they can be beat but not really consistently, up close, in open tiles. If you outplay them there, it's them messing up, not you making some insane play that made nurse that had you close in plain view miss her blink.

As I said, once you're in reach of those killers powers, be it slinger, huntress or whatever, it's on them to make a mistake. It's not a sole problem with slinger, other killers do the same thing, they just don't have as many opportunities as he has.

I genuinely love playing deathslinger and he's my main when I play a few matches as killer, but it always seems like no one uses his power just to use it. Why fake people out when you can actually have the thrill of getting a shot and reeling them in? When Deathslinger is inevitably nerfed/tweaked I wouldn't mind it too much depending on what they're working on, but the only thing that I don't want them to touch is his quickshots. For me it's nice to see a Survivor or see one of my teammates in the exit gates if they just stand close to the edge of escaping or sit their and just do their victory dance and gestures and they get shot and reeled in, it doesn't necessarily bother me it's just the fact of, "you could've left, but you chose to stay behind." Especially when I wait halfway through the endgame collapse timer as a killer in a match. [NOTE: I'll still try and interfere with the tug of war bit when it comes to my teammate when playing Survivor too though (depending if Deathslinger is running bayshores gold tooth and I can't keep up with the reeling speed)]. I don't mind a cooldown to be rid of free-zoning like the video presented, but I hope that their won't be a certain of "x amount of seconds" to shoot your projectile when activing your ADS, because it's a gun who has to wait for an amount of seconds to spear someone, so they can get a headstart and run away, but at the same time they can at least somewhat upgrade the dog whistle-like audio cue when Deathslinger is aiming at you.

The entire conversation behind DS and PH is Pandora's Box tbh.

It's hard to really discuss an issue like this without one or two fights breaking out, but I still hope people will try to if they're willing to be civil about it. Or don't... idk.

Deathslinger will either get reworked or nerfed and then reworked months later.

Spirit (since she often gets lumped in with Slinger and PH) will likely be nerfed or reworked.

I literally just had this problem. I find it unbelievable that, in maps such as the Silent Hill one, like a good chunk of the pallets are rendered absolutely useless because Deathslinger can either ADS you instantly and you get hit, or you drop the pallet, and he will shoot you and then phase his chain through the wall to get to you. There's no counter play to it, damned if you do and damned if you don't. I feel bad for leaving but I can't stand a match where 90% of it will be me getting hit unfairly and having no fun for the sake of others.

I really enjoy playing with standard basic killers with actually balanced abilities, they're amazingly fun, that's what brings me back to the game over and over. I've played a couple of matches with Freddy in the silent school map and each of them were good.

Deathslinger boils down to shooting the survivor, and then holding them there while Slinger shimmies over towards you, and then on top of that, lunge to gain extra distance to ensure the down. It's not fun for either party except for the few that know it pisses people off since it has no counterplay other than "haha, don't get hit make sure he can't reel you around the wall(s)" the deathslinger is GOING to come into full view of you at some point unless you're lucky, it's unrealistic to say simply not to come into view, because it doesn't work against people that know what they're doing and how to break the killer so you lose any option than to get hit.

That's something I would've done had there been any walls to do it with. I was in a pretty safe spot, had the deathslinger not of had the ability to just cheese their way through like 90% of the pallets.

Perhaps, I've considered that as potentially being something that needs changing since it would be nice having more loops like that to not allow him to just cheese it. I've wondered whether it would be more fair to make it so that the chain, upon contact with a wall breaks much quicker. That wouldn't apply to survivors blocking the chain however, that would stay unchanged.

This way, you could keep the map the way it is and I think personally it would make the gun more of a punishment tool where the survivor is out of line and you can catch them, and not just a "ahah, I got you in the animation lock and now I can slide to the other side of the wall and lunge!"

What about a slower ADS or inaccuracy? hm...I'm not a balancing expert clearly but something definitely needs changing imo to make it feel more fair.

More loops with less visibility would still be nice.