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Killer entitlement with the lobby cherry picking and dc's

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  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513
    edited October 2018

    @kate_best_girl said:
    You're entire comment was "Dont play with your friends because it isnt fun for me."

    If you read, his entire comment was "Don't play with your friends because the devs haven't made a game that actually works if you do".

    If you want to play SWF, you'd be better off standing with killers and saying "Hey devs, make balancing this a priority". Then you don't have to worry about lobby dodging etc. either. But I'm guessing you don't want to see any change. Why would you, after all? SWF is so much fun for survivors BECAUSE it's unbalanced.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Eveline said:
    Why am I dodged then? I am always solo. Oh yeah because the killer suspects I may be an swf. Do you realise how ridiculous this is? 

    YOU are solo... but did you check the rest of your team?
    Are they 3 SWF?
    Did your team sport like 2+ toolboxes or flashlights?
    Did they have legacy clothing? Bright clothing?
    Toxic names? Twitch or YouTube tags in their name?

    Okay we get it we aren't allowed to play with our friends

    No, you obviously don't get anything.
    Don't play the victim card.
    Don't try to tell me it is just about "playing with friends".
    SWF on voice com gives a HUGE advantage for the team.
    Do you think it is ok to "just play with your friends" if that totally screws over the other player you are playing with?
    You know what? The killer is not a bot. It is another human being and he has a right to "have fun" also.
    Fun in like playing a fair game.
    If you can't be online without your friends, go play another game that is balance for that.

    You're entire comment was "Dont play with your friends because it isnt fun for me." get good as killer and counter SWF groups only rank 20's complain about SWF

    So your "fun" is more important than that of the killer player, right?
    That's your mindset, survivor player are worth more than killer player.
    Sorry, but that sounds like some racist thinking to me.

    And tell me again, how can a killer "get good" to "counter" SWF?
    There is no "counter" to voice com.
    And most likely you know it, but you talk crap like this to keep your advantages.
    How about you survivor "get good" and play the game as intended. Solo and without voice com.
    Leave your crutch friends at home and go solo against a killer.
    But that isn't "fun", right? Because it is to difficult, to challenging and you might actually lose...

    I main both killer and survivor and im a rank 3 killer but keep going off. If anyone is entitled here its you since you just want survivors to be weak and inferior and easy kills for you. Playing the game with SWF is playing as intended because its an option in the games main menu like yikes are you that salty you feel that you deserve to win every game as killer.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    You're entire comment was "Dont play with your friends because it isnt fun for me."

    If you read, his entire comment was "Don't play with your friends because the devs haven't made a game that actually works if you do".

    If you want to play SWF, you'd be better off standing with killers and saying "Hey devs, make balancing this a priority". Then you don't have to worry about lobby dodging etc. either. But I'm guessing you don't want to see any change. Why would you, after all? SWF is so much fun for survivors BECAUSE it's unbalanced.

    There isn't any change that could be done to nerf SWF? How would they nerf it and please read my reply

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    @kate_best_girl said:
    There isn't any change that could be done to nerf SWF? How would they nerf it and please read my reply

    Honestly, I don't have an answer to how to balance for SWF and still keep solo-queuing viable. If it were an easy fix, they'd have surely done it.

    And just because it's a menu option, it doesn't mean its a) balanced, b) working as intended, or c) a good idea.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    I main both killer and survivor and im a rank 3 killer but keep going off. If anyone is entitled here its you since you just want survivors to be weak and inferior and easy kills for you. Playing the game with SWF is playing as intended because its an option in the games main menu like yikes are you that salty you feel that you deserve to win every game as killer.

    Funny how you can't even grasp the concept of "main".
    And guess what? Survivor are intended to be weak.
    That's the core of an asymetrical game. One side has the advantage in numbers, the other side the advantage of power.
    You just want both, you know that survivor right now are not weak ingame. So they are strong and numerous.
    So tell me again, who is the one here to ask for easy wins?
    I just ask for BALANCE.
    Another concept that you could not grasp I guess.

    PS: SWF was not an intended option for this game to begin with, but it got forced into the game.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    There isn't any change that could be done to nerf SWF? How would they nerf it and please read my reply

    Honestly, I don't have an answer to how to balance for SWF and still keep solo-queuing viable. If it were an easy fix, they'd have surely done it.

    And just because it's a menu option, it doesn't mean its a) balanced, b) working as intended, or c) a good idea.

    Okay but this dude literally is cancer you're chill about everything but he is just...entitled there isnt any other words for it. If you can think of a nerf to SWF I would actually love to hear it and if its a good one lets make a thread on it.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    I main both killer and survivor and im a rank 3 killer but keep going off. If anyone is entitled here its you since you just want survivors to be weak and inferior and easy kills for you. Playing the game with SWF is playing as intended because its an option in the games main menu like yikes are you that salty you feel that you deserve to win every game as killer.

    Funny how you can't even grasp the concept of "main".
    And guess what? Survivor are intended to be weak.
    That's the core of an asymetrical game. One side has the advantage in numbers, the other side the advantage of power.
    You just want both, you know that survivor right now are not weak ingame. So they are strong and numerous.
    So tell me again, who is the one here to ask for easy wins?
    I just ask for BALANCE.
    Another concept that you could not grasp I guess.

    PS: SWF was not an intended option for this game to begin with, but it got forced into the game.

    But you're version of balance is survivors lose every game and killers always win. The game is in favor of survivors yes but that doesn't mean making one side unable to win every game is balance.

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    @kate_best_girl said:
    Okay but this dude literally is cancer

    Heh. That's between you and him. ;)

    you're chill about everything but he is just...entitled there isnt any other words for it.

    You're going to run into two types of killer on this forum: one will point out that SWF is broken and needs fixing, the other has lost all hope of that and so wants SWF removed.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    There isn't any change that could be done to nerf SWF? How would they nerf it and please read my reply

    Honestly, I don't have an answer to how to balance for SWF and still keep solo-queuing viable. If it were an easy fix, they'd have surely done it.

    And just because it's a menu option, it doesn't mean its a) balanced, b) working as intended, or c) a good idea.

    Okay but this dude literally is cancer you're chill about everything but he is just...entitled there isnt any other words for it. If you can think of a nerf to SWF I would actually love to hear it and if its a good one lets make a thread on it.

    Killers can still beat a SWF group but what you're asking for isnt balance like I said its make all killers OP and make the game unplayable for survivors. Its fun to play survivor because you get to sometimes escape. Its fun to play killer because you can punish toxic survivors. If you made it so survivors always lose then how is that even fun?

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    Okay but this dude literally is cancer

    Heh. That's between you and him. ;)

    you're chill about everything but he is just...entitled there isnt any other words for it.

    You're going to run into two types of killer on this forum: one will point out that SWF is broken and needs fixing, the other has lost all hope of that and so wants SWF removed.

    Yeah SWF needs tweaks not to be removed though. Maybe they could disable certain features like ability to see killer perks after you die.

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    @kate_best_girl said:
    Killers can still beat a SWF group but what you're asking for isnt balance like I said its make all killers OP and make the game unplayable for survivors.

    For the most part, people aren't asking for this. And I'd guess most people would be perfectly happy for SWF to stay, if it can be made fair.

    Maybe you just don't realise just how difficult it is for the average killer to deal with a 4-man, coordinated group? There is plenty of space to make it harder for the survivors without taking away all the fun or making it impossible for them to escape. However, the actual "how" you do this is the hard part. :)

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    I main both killer and survivor and im a rank 3 killer but keep going off. If anyone is entitled here its you since you just want survivors to be weak and inferior and easy kills for you. Playing the game with SWF is playing as intended because its an option in the games main menu like yikes are you that salty you feel that you deserve to win every game as killer.

    Funny how you can't even grasp the concept of "main".
    And guess what? Survivor are intended to be weak.
    That's the core of an asymetrical game. One side has the advantage in numbers, the other side the advantage of power.
    You just want both, you know that survivor right now are not weak ingame. So they are strong and numerous.
    So tell me again, who is the one here to ask for easy wins?
    I just ask for BALANCE.
    Another concept that you could not grasp I guess.

    PS: SWF was not an intended option for this game to begin with, but it got forced into the game.

    But you're version of balance is survivors lose every game and killers always win. The game is in favor of survivors yes but that doesn't mean making one side unable to win every game is balance.

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    Killers can still beat a SWF group but what you're asking for isnt balance like I said its make all killers OP and make the game unplayable for survivors.

    For the most part, people aren't asking for this. And I'd guess most people would be perfectly happy for SWF to stay, if it can be made fair.

    Maybe you just don't realise just how difficult it is for the average killer to deal with a 4-man, coordinated group? There is plenty of space to make it harder for the survivors without taking away all the fun or making it impossible for them to escape. However, the actual "how" you do this is the hard part. :)

    Im a mix main rank 3 killer and I've dealt with SWF groups. It can be a pain but they can be taken down. A couple good perks for it are lightborn (If they have flashlights.) Franklins for toolboxes, Nurses calling, and NOED

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    Killers can still beat a SWF group but what you're asking for isnt balance like I said its make all killers OP and make the game unplayable for survivors.

    For the most part, people aren't asking for this. And I'd guess most people would be perfectly happy for SWF to stay, if it can be made fair.

    Maybe you just don't realise just how difficult it is for the average killer to deal with a 4-man, coordinated group? There is plenty of space to make it harder for the survivors without taking away all the fun or making it impossible for them to escape. However, the actual "how" you do this is the hard part. :)

    I dont mind SWF nerfs I just dont want nerfs to survivors where its super bad

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    I main both killer and survivor and im a rank 3 killer but keep going off. If anyone is entitled here its you since you just want survivors to be weak and inferior and easy kills for you. Playing the game with SWF is playing as intended because its an option in the games main menu like yikes are you that salty you feel that you deserve to win every game as killer.

    Funny how you can't even grasp the concept of "main".
    And guess what? Survivor are intended to be weak.
    That's the core of an asymetrical game. One side has the advantage in numbers, the other side the advantage of power.
    You just want both, you know that survivor right now are not weak ingame. So they are strong and numerous.
    So tell me again, who is the one here to ask for easy wins?
    I just ask for BALANCE.
    Another concept that you could not grasp I guess.

    PS: SWF was not an intended option for this game to begin with, but it got forced into the game.

    But you're version of balance is survivors lose every game and killers always win. The game is in favor of survivors yes but that doesn't mean making one side unable to win every game is balance.

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    @kate_best_girl said:
    I dont mind SWF nerfs I just dont want nerfs to survivors where its super bad

    Mate, noone does. Not really.

    It's just the nature of the game, and the forum, that the survivors and killers bicker endlessly. :) Sometimes you really have to work hard to understand the truth in what people are saying/asking for... because it's buried under a lot of salt and frustration.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Eight said:

    @kate_best_girl said:
    I dont mind SWF nerfs I just dont want nerfs to survivors where its super bad

    Mate, noone does. Not really.

    It's just the nature of the game, and the forum, that the survivors and killers bicker endlessly. :) Sometimes you really have to work hard to understand the truth in what people are saying/asking for... because it's buried under a lot of salt and frustration.

    I believe the devs to a certain point in some patch's just get so fed up with one side they just do whatever they're asking for without actually thinking of the negatives

  • Eight
    Eight Member Posts: 513

    @kate_best_girl said:
    I believe the devs to a certain point in some patch's just get so fed up with one side they just do whatever they're asking for without actually thinking of the negatives

    It probably has happened. Other times, I'm pretty sure they don't give a crap what we're all arguing about. :)

    But, with the best will in the world, sometimes developers make mistakes, or things just don't work out as expected. They may also have a long-term plan for all of this. Fingers crossed.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    I don't think it's anout easy kills, it's about the fact that swf does break the game. The communication is not supposed to be in the game, that's why there's no in game talking. I love playing swf, but I admit it gives an out of game advantage, which in most cases is cheating to a degree. One person found a hex, they all find it. One person finds a trap, they all find it. Swf is fun as survivor but stupid as killer, I play both high rank. Not supposed to be impossible to win but the 1 should be stronger than any individual member of a team. It is stupid how 1 survivor can keep a killer busy using braindead loops for half of the objectives. Survivors have 6 and killers have 12, a killer in chase is not stopping other survivors from getting theirs done.

    There needs to be a separation of casual and ranked, I'm sure there's enough players. Two swf max in ranked. Only 2, since talking gives a stupid advantage, there shouldn't be a whole team. Also with swf and emblems together, has some low skill players at rank 1. The survivors play like rank 17s. What happened to my rank? The devs lowered the requirements for killer and survivor, too little people made it to high rank they said. 
  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    I'm not for the bickering, but swf goes against the original idea of "the trial is like a nightmare, you cannot talk" which is my reasoning that verbal communication is an unfair advantage. Maybe giving kindred at base (just to see if the killer is near a hook, not showing all survivors) but in exchange the killer should be given information in somd for otherwise it is just a killer nerf. For other games parties isn't unfair as most games aren't 1v4 with one person incapable of having 4 real time minds work against that person while having mechanics that restrict the 1 from being effective unless you're the best character in the game (nurse). Some people say add in game voice, but if they do that, they will have to lower the hooks to 2 phases instead of three due to the math and odds stacked against the killer. Maybe add a third hit. 
  • DeadByFlashlight
    DeadByFlashlight Member Posts: 1,642

    @SovererignKing said:
    Wolf74 said:

    @SovererignKing said:

    Wolf74 said:

    @powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

People often forget that everyone who's playing is a human. Who also wants to have fun. Not get bullied by swf groups that hook farm or bully the killer.

    The same is true for survivors then, who wants to get bullied by an experienced killer that intentionally depips to terrorize newbs.

    You also have to remember that killers like to bully survivors and get mad when they get outplayed by a team



Serious question: How can a killer "bully" survivor?

    Ever been smacked on the hook repeatedly for no damn reason? Ever been slugged and the Wraith just walks behind you ringing his bell over and over, letting you Bleed our for two minutes nodding his head? Blocked in a corner and shocked repeatedly by a Doc for the whole match? 

    Actually no, never. Most likely I do not play toxic.

    But still I already mentioned above that plays like that are like tbagging (hooksmacks, bell ringing, etc).

    But camping and slugging in itself are not "bullying"

    All those playstyles might harass a single player of that team, but for the team overall it is a free win.

    "Bullying" the killer is toying with them to show how that he can't do anything about it and wasting the killers time.

    Killer can't really do that without downright giving a free win to the rest of the team.

    You’re correct. Camping and and slugging are tactics. However the Wraith who slugged me, I was last alive for that match and on the floor. He just walked behind me ringing his bell until I was JUST about to die and then he picked me up and hooked me. How is that not bullying a Survivor? 

    Thats the equivalent of looping the killer as last person even though you cant escape. Its just wasting time for both sides

  • DeadByFlashlight
    DeadByFlashlight Member Posts: 1,642

    @Eveline said:
    Maybe I will just switch out of DBD in general since everyone is so biased.

    Maybe thats the best. The devs recommend civilization, but you cant bully anyone there, so Im not sure whether its your type of game :wink:

  • sixty4half
    sixty4half Member Posts: 82
    DeadByFlashlight said:

    @Eveline said:
    Maybe I will just switch out of DBD in general since everyone is so biased.

    Maybe thats the best. The devs recommend civilization, but you cant bully anyone there, so Im not sure whether its your type of game :wink:

    You can put it on Settler difficulty and bully all the AI opponents you want.  

    Civ has better forums too
  • Zanfer
    Zanfer Member Posts: 647

    If you remove swf than you are going to kill the game. Try other ideas instead. People want to have fun on a game and love playing with friends.

  • DeadByFlashlight
    DeadByFlashlight Member Posts: 1,642

    @sixty4half said:
    DeadByFlashlight said:

    @Eveline said:

    Maybe I will just switch out of DBD in general since everyone is so biased.

    Maybe thats the best. The devs recommend civilization, but you cant bully anyone there, so Im not sure whether its your type of game :wink:

    You can put it on Settler difficulty and bully all the AI opponents you want.  

    Civ has better forums too

    Bullying isnt fun when you dont see/know that a human is suffering

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    Do some math. Less than 50% of all survivor player are joining via SWF.
    How many of them would stop playing just because SWF gets split into separate queues?
    A lot of people will claim to quit, but not even half will make it true and stick instead.
    Because there is still a queue to play.
    And instead we could attract new or bring back old player, because the game is more balanced to make up for the lost player.

    And if you think about your own statement "killer would never play it", what does it say about the balance of the gamemode that you are defending?

    That's why I said BP bonus for all player that join the SWF queue SOLO. That includes killer! Killer are always solo.
    So you still get the player that want the challenge and the greedy ones.

  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946

    well it is easier for the survivors to play in a SWF and a lot harder and frustrating for a killer to face a SWF.
    A SWF only queue would only split the community and as it is right now 70% of the games have SWF in them in any combination.
    The result would be, a SWF queue with incredible long waiting times for SWF due to lack of killers and a legacy queue with incredible long waiting time for the Killers because to many killers.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @Cymer said:
    well it is easier for the survivors to play in a SWF and a lot harder and frustrating for a killer to face a SWF.
    A SWF only queue would only split the community and as it is right now 70% of the games have SWF in them in any combination.
    The result would be, a SWF queue with incredible long waiting times for SWF due to lack of killers and a legacy queue with incredible long waiting time for the Killers because to many killers.

    Same question to you: What does your conclusion about the two queues tell you about the current state of the game?

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Cymer said:

    well it is easier for the survivors to play in a SWF and a lot harder and frustrating for a killer to face a SWF.
    A SWF only queue would only split the community and as it is right now 70% of the games have SWF in them in any combination.
    The result would be, a SWF queue with incredible long waiting times for SWF due to lack of killers and a legacy queue with incredible long waiting time for the Killers because to many killers.

    It's not bout an swf only crew, casual ranked could be a mix of swf and solo, and ranked could be solo only
  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Casual unranked I mean
  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946

    @Wolf74 said:

    @Cymer said:
    well it is easier for the survivors to play in a SWF and a lot harder and frustrating for a killer to face a SWF.
    A SWF only queue would only split the community and as it is right now 70% of the games have SWF in them in any combination.
    The result would be, a SWF queue with incredible long waiting times for SWF due to lack of killers and a legacy queue with incredible long waiting time for the Killers because to many killers.

    Same question to you: What does your conclusion about the two queues tell you about the current state of the game?

    Just read my thread about why we need to acknowledge SWF and their voice com potential and rebalance the game around it. Maybe buff the killers vs SWF only so they still are a threat to them.
    As a killer I rather play against 4 randoms than SWF in any form, because it feels more fair and rewarding. But playing against SWFs feels like playing against whitelisted cheaters, mostly one survivor from a higher level. A high level Killer may know how to deal with this, but not someone who just started to play the game and not even have all the perks and addons unlocked.
    And if someone is telling me, rank doesn't matter, then why do we have it in the first place?
    For all the SWFs out there, if a killer dc because he wants to play a normal game and have fun, you shouldn't flame him. It is his right to chose what to play, with whom he likes to play. And sorry if he don't wants to play with you and your friend. Maybe you can find a killerfriend and play with/against him.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    Do some math. Less than 50% of all survivor player are joining via SWF.
    How many of them would stop playing just because SWF gets split into separate queues?
    A lot of people will claim to quit, but not even half will make it true and stick instead.
    Because there is still a queue to play.
    And instead we could attract new or bring back old player, because the game is more balanced to make up for the lost player.

    And if you think about your own statement "killer would never play it", what does it say about the balance of the gamemode that you are defending?

    That's why I said BP bonus for all player that join the SWF queue SOLO. That includes killer! Killer are always solo.
    So you still get the player that want the challenge and the greedy ones.

    I guess but it doesn't say much about the game mode im defending other then killers are over dramatic

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    Do some math. Less than 50% of all survivor player are joining via SWF.
    How many of them would stop playing just because SWF gets split into separate queues?
    A lot of people will claim to quit, but not even half will make it true and stick instead.
    Because there is still a queue to play.
    And instead we could attract new or bring back old player, because the game is more balanced to make up for the lost player.

    And if you think about your own statement "killer would never play it", what does it say about the balance of the gamemode that you are defending?

    That's why I said BP bonus for all player that join the SWF queue SOLO. That includes killer! Killer are always solo.
    So you still get the player that want the challenge and the greedy ones.

    I guess but it doesn't say much about the game mode im defending other then killers are over dramatic

    Sounds like you are either some godlike killer player or you aren't playing a lot of killer.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    Do some math. Less than 50% of all survivor player are joining via SWF.
    How many of them would stop playing just because SWF gets split into separate queues?
    A lot of people will claim to quit, but not even half will make it true and stick instead.
    Because there is still a queue to play.
    And instead we could attract new or bring back old player, because the game is more balanced to make up for the lost player.

    And if you think about your own statement "killer would never play it", what does it say about the balance of the gamemode that you are defending?

    That's why I said BP bonus for all player that join the SWF queue SOLO. That includes killer! Killer are always solo.
    So you still get the player that want the challenge and the greedy ones.

    I guess but it doesn't say much about the game mode im defending other then killers are over dramatic

    Sounds like you are either some godlike killer player or you aren't playing a lot of killer.

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

  • Kilmeran
    Kilmeran Member Posts: 3,142
    edited October 2018

    @Wolf74 I hear you, I really do. I'm a brand new player. Just over 20 hours in the game. I preferred Killer, and although it has not been a constant thing, I've already faced SWF groups (2, 3 and 4) that in some cases had Red or Purple ranked players grouped with the little gray Ranks.

    Yeah, that's great. And it doesn't teach me anything about being a better Killer going up against those experienced players when I'm still trying to learn even the goddamn basics of the game.

    At this point, since I'm just starting out and have seen it already, I don't know if I want to just put the game down and play it as a side thing, just say to hell with it and go Survivor and SWF myself with people via Steam/Discord, or what.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    I am already an addict… leave while you can. :P

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.
    I actually want to play the KILLER.
    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.
    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.
    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

  • kate_best_girl
    kate_best_girl Member Posts: 2,184

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.
    I actually want to play the KILLER.
    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.
    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.
    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

    No I just wanna have fun and play the game for fun.

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    Please quote me where I said that.
    Stop putting words into my mouth.
    I want "balance" and that is fair game without the "weak" side being able to bully the "strong" side.
    Without the ""weak" side being able to 1 on 1 the "strong" side, but still play in a team.

    Then how do you suggest we do that? Survivors can bully killers and yeah some killer buffs are needed but you can't just remove an entire feature and call it 'Balance'

    Now the question for you? Do you see SWF on voice com as "fair" and "balanced"?

    IMO:
    SWF is the worst thing in terms of balance.
    So something needs to be done.
    I would like to see it split into different queues.
    Ranked = solo only
    Casual = with SWF (plus anybody joining casual solo will get a BP bonus)

    I Don't think there is enough players to have that plus killers would never play it thats the problem

    Do some math. Less than 50% of all survivor player are joining via SWF.
    How many of them would stop playing just because SWF gets split into separate queues?
    A lot of people will claim to quit, but not even half will make it true and stick instead.
    Because there is still a queue to play.
    And instead we could attract new or bring back old player, because the game is more balanced to make up for the lost player.

    And if you think about your own statement "killer would never play it", what does it say about the balance of the gamemode that you are defending?

    That's why I said BP bonus for all player that join the SWF queue SOLO. That includes killer! Killer are always solo.
    So you still get the player that want the challenge and the greedy ones.

    I guess but it doesn't say much about the game mode im defending other then killers are over dramatic

    Sounds like you are either some godlike killer player or you aren't playing a lot of killer.

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Lol did you play before emblems? The game ends when survivors leave or they die, a survivor wins by surviving or letting others survive, killers win by getting kills. Pipping now is a joke. It's a horror game, I don't win when I pip, I win when I survive or kill more than 2 survivors. If my team has two dead, that's a draw. Swf gives unfair advantage and devs know this, if the devs acknowledge swf strengths, then it must be there because they are working on balancing for killers now and making great strides. 
  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.
    I actually want to play the KILLER.
    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.
    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.
    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

    No I just wanna have fun and play the game for fun.

    Also, if you kill everyone quickly now you don't double pip, there is a disparity between the roll you play as killer and the pip conditions. Pipping isn't winning, it is pipping. Pipping used to be based off of hooks and kills, but not anymore. 
  • Mringasa
    Mringasa Member Posts: 980

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.

    I actually want to play the KILLER.

    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.

    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.

    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

    No I just wanna have fun and play the game for fun.

    Also, if you kill everyone quickly now you don't double pip, there is a disparity between the roll you play as killer and the pip conditions. Pipping isn't winning, it is pipping. Pipping used to be based off of hooks and kills, but not anymore. 

    Glad it's not based on hooks and kills anymore. So many newbie trash Killers would camp just so they could pip. Not sure how bad it is in the lower ranks, but I haven't hit many camping Killers lately, so maybe that change was a good thing.

    Killers should be able to choose what lobbies they want to play. I'd much rather this than having them DC at the start of a match or mid-match because some toxic buttholes want to play laser tag with them instead of playing the game. Too much selfishness and ego at times.

  • Global
    Global Member Posts: 770

    Survivors use what they have like looping to survive. Killers use what they have to have an actually fun game. Deal with it.

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Mringasa said:

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.

    I actually want to play the KILLER.

    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.

    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.

    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

    No I just wanna have fun and play the game for fun.

    Also, if you kill everyone quickly now you don't double pip, there is a disparity between the roll you play as killer and the pip conditions. Pipping isn't winning, it is pipping. Pipping used to be based off of hooks and kills, but not anymore. 

    Glad it's not based on hooks and kills anymore. So many newbie trash Killers would camp just so they could pip. Not sure how bad it is in the lower ranks, but I haven't hit many camping Killers lately, so maybe that change was a good thing.

    Killers should be able to choose what lobbies they want to play. I'd much rather this than having them DC at the start of a match or mid-match because some toxic buttholes want to play laser tag with them instead of playing the game. Too much selfishness and ego at times.

    People wouldn't camp like that in high ranks anyway due to meta and map layout they would dep pip each game unless it's a leatherface. Camping to some isn't about the pip, it's about the kill. The new system is a trade off, punishing killers who sweep too late or too early lol. As a killer my job is to kill. As a survivor my job is to survive. Plenty of people still camp though. I got camped 6 times yesterday lol half of my games. Also the quality of survivors have gone down and changes to the game and survivor nerfs, so it's not the pip system, it just got easier for killers to not rely on noob strategies and is making it worth their while to hunt.
     
  • SovererignKing
    SovererignKing Member Posts: 1,273
    kate_best_girl said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @kate_best_girl said:

    godlike? Literally you dont even have to kill anyone to pip or earn a ######### ton of points so i dont see the point in hating SWF groups.

    Ok, we found the issue. You like playing the partyclown.
    I actually want to play the KILLER.
    Pips are punishment, since ranking up only make matches worse for killer.
    And bloodpoints are just a sideproduct to keep up with all the stuff I need to use.
    If you can't kill, you are a pointpiniata for the survivor and not a threat.

    No I just wanna have fun and play the game for fun.

    Do you have fun getting stomped into the ground and taunted? Do you have fun knowing the only way you win, is if the other side screws up multiple times and plays sub-optimal and poorly? That’s what it’s like playing Killer. You can try all you want, unless your a good Nurse, all the Survivors have to do is run the right perks and Rush the Gens, and you’re screwed.