Is there any plans to reduce the grind?

As @The_Bootie_Gorgon said removing perk tiers would be the best thing. Though since they are making the changes to rarietys in the mid-chpater patch I don't think they will.

How about having the first tier on the web but after that make it based on using the perk to then tier up with 4000-5000 BP

They're changing them, so at the end, they'll all be in the same rarity tier, but that's likely only because rarer tiers of perks show up less on a bloodweb.

the problem is the blood web. for perk maybe go down to lvl 30 for 3 perk and 40 for 4 perk. on the other hand, for survivors, being able to carry an item with addons each game is very simple. For killers, farming points is a chore for some. With the demo I use bbq just to be able to recover the rat liver. there are things that, due to their level of rarity, are very common and should not be, and others vice versa. there is a lot of garbage on the blood web. Maybe adding something that you can change items or to take out the garbage that one has accumulated and will never use would be good. for example change 3 yellow addons x one green

Nope. Keep grinding, fam.

An increase to the weekly shrine might negatively effect their bottom line since selling chapters is supposed to be easier than waiting around for them to pop up in the shrine teachables. As a player I agree that would be nice but I can see why it would be harder to sell if it has a risk involved with direct sales.

10~15 hours on average per character on either side using offerings, dailies and archive challenges is still a pretty intense grind. You have to think that could be almost 2 weeks for a casual player who plays a 1~3 matches every evening for their dailies.

People like you and me who have been playing for years and have unlocked everything have to step back objectively and try to see this from the average target market... BHVR's only risk in removing "too much" of the grind is that people might ultimately run out of things to spend bloodpoints on at some point other than Prestiging III on each character over again. There'll still be more than 500+ minimal hours of game time investment which should retain players since they release new chapters (killers, perks etc) and even gameplay changes or balances.... heck even cosmetics keep people invested to some degree.

If tiers won't be removed from the game then the webs need to be significantly smaller with 6 perks available instead of 4 at a time. There should be less than half the current nodes that just suck up points even if you manipulate the web well - as grabbing more addons and offerings can be that ending point sink once all the perks are unlocked.

The category limits for each match being at 8k should be lifted or at least keep the post game 1.5 or 2x Bloodpoint type postgame reward (like event times) as a constant effect. Rework certain perks (Distressing, Beast of Prey, No one Left Behind, etc) and killer addons (Especially ones that give a detriment in exchange for more bloodpoints like two of the Nurse addons) that give increased bloodpoints in certain categories to work like post-game rewards for those specific categories so they actually stack even further with BBQ / WGLF and aren't limited by the current 8k cap. There is no reason for those even trying to specifically BP grind to run these like "Speed Limiter" Hillbilly if you're maxing out those categories anyway through normal play.

These were all positive changes, but they all came hand in hand with yet more perks and more characters to unlock them on, so they didn’t reduce the grind so much as stop it from getting astronomically worse.

Besides which, BPs are easy to get when you know the game. When you’re a new player, you struggle with BPs because a) you don’t play in a way which maximises BP gain, b) you find it harder to complete challenges, and c) you don’t have any farming perks, any BP offerings, etc.

A new survivor will probably earn like 10k bloodpoints in a match if they’re lucky, and that will be it, no multipliers. How far does that get you on a bloodweb? Two or three nodes?

The grind is an issue for NEW players, because they have absolutely nothing to help them with it. Nobody is concerned about someone with 1000 hours grinding P3 on everyone (I’m in this boat myself and it’s not really an issue for me), we’re concerned that new players have to sink tens of hours into the game to unlock a few measly perks and will get frustrated and give up. Especially since every time a new player complains about something like being tunnelled they get told “just run DS” or flashlights they hear “just run Lightborn”. Perks are the answer to every annoyance in this game so if you’re new and don’t have them you’re ######### out of luck.

I understand where you are coming from with this, I really do, but if people are giving up because of not having a perk or two then maybe this isn't the game for them. It's going to sound harsh, but it's true. I started playing with earbuds that had no bass so I couldn't hear a heartbeat, when insta moris were a thing, and when 3 bnps ruined a game. Here I am.

Players that want to play the game will learn what they want and how to get there, it's not some astronomical 1000 hour thing, it's maybe 200-300 hours to get some characters in a really good spot and still have back ups.

If you need some tedious grind to keep you playing the game, you probably don't actually enjoy the game very much. The rift and shard cosmetics exist now if you really need something to work towards.

Seeing as the next update is assigning each perk tier its own rarity, I doubt they're getting rid of perk tiers any time soon. It'd be nice if they'd at least give every character tier 1 of all perks they have unlocked (universal perks and any teachables that have been unlocked). That way you'd at least have all perks available to try out, even if it's their weakest version.

The health and long term success of this game requires attracting and keeping new players, not shrugging that nobody is hardcore enough to commit to the grind.

And 200 hours is a huge commitment to ask for. Most people probably only have that number of hours in a handful of games.

Give every character every universal and unlocked perk at tier 1? ...holy ######### that idea is amazing. BHVR have the perfect excuse as to why they wouldn't do this though and you already know what it is, which is a shame but something like this would absolutely be a huge help for people buying DLC and wanting to actually try out the content on day 1 (really good system you have BHVR, you want people to buy your DLC but killers and survivors with no perks is boring as hell and they won't get a good idea of how the killer plays until they've spent hours grinding BP to get the perks they need.)

Would also get me to actually prestige characters. Don't really want to prestige a character only to have them be unplayable for a long length of time.

You proved exactly what I was saying in that comment though. In a little over 400 hours you leveled every character to get their teachable perks and then decided to all perk a character while still having others at 50. You may think that's obscene, but there are 43 characters in this game. You spent on average about 10-11 hours for each of them.

You’re basically asking me, “how long is a piece of string?” It doesn’t matter what I would personally find a fair number, what matters is rebalancing the grind so that new players can feel like they’re unlocking content at a reasonable rate while retaining the grind for people who enjoy grinding. Having grind at all isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that it’s mandatory to grind for hundreds of hours to unlock basic content.

I honestly think that reworking how teachables are unlocked would help resolve this problem without causing other issues. Rather than having them be purchaseable nodes in the bloodweb at high character levels, make them purchaseable outside of the bloodweb at lower levels. So say, I have to hit level 20 on a character and then I can pay X bloodpoints to unlock any one of their three teachables. This way, rather than having to level Bubba to 35 to get BBQ, for example, I could level him to 20 and choose between BBQ, Franklin’s or Knock Out. And if I don’t want to unlock a given teachable yet I can just hold off purchasing it.

This would cut down the grind for new players, keep the grind for existing players (P3ing with all perks would still be a massive time investment), and wouldn’t affect the “bloodpoint economy” or whatever the devs are worried will become unbalanced if they change bloodpoint gains.