Will there ever be a Punishment for Lobby Closing?

How about having 2 queues? If killer wants to play only randoms then they can.

What we will mostly likely find is that even with the option most survs will SWF and killers will have no lobbies.

Killers will then complain that there are no lobbies. 

Common sense would dictate that they won't play the game. 

OR and more likely... 

Killers will STILL lobby dodge. 

It seems the issue isn't/ever was SWF. 

They tried with KYF but there isn't an upside for either side playing. It isn't ranked and there is no BP. 

Punish lobby dodging and you'll make Killer's feel helpless. Don't punish it and Survs will find something else to do because they can't play.

Sounds like 80/20 should apply only that the 80% are what keep the game going. 

There is no happy medium, yet I have hope though. There is a lot of great ideas and feedback. 

It's just a sticky situation... 

Killers are fine being able to pick and choose lobbies. I would much rather this than lose an Offering because the Killer was forced to play with the 3 Jedi Warrior wannabes who I got stuck with as a solo queue'er. You have to click again to join another lobby? OMG!!!! THE HORRORRRRRRR!!!! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!!! sigh

Mringasa said:

Killers are fine being able to pick and choose lobbies. I would much rather this than lose an Offering because the Killer was forced to play with the 3 Jedi Warrior wannabes who I got stuck with as a solo queue'er. You have to click again to join another lobby? OMG!!!! THE HORRORRRRRRR!!!! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!!! sigh

Have you played around rank reset? Killers don't care nor survs when they DC. At least with survs you can use their offerings when they dc. 

slingshotsurvivor said:

Grimbergoth said:

@Mringasa said:
Killers are fine being able to pick and choose lobbies. I would much rather this than lose an Offering because the Killer was forced to play with the 3 Jedi Warrior wannabes who I got stuck with as a solo queue'er. You have to click again to join another lobby? OMG!!!! THE HORRORRRRRRR!!!! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!!! sigh

the largest complaint to lobby dodging are the ones being dodged . swf groupies think its horrid that a killer dodges their tryhard groups , and it forces them to take the time to remake the group every time they get dodged . here is the sad part , most groups that get dodged are the obvious 3 and 4 mans . So I find it kinda funny that the same people saying its unfair and a killer should be punished for their only available option to swf is in fact the ones using something that was never designed to be in the game to begin with to their advantage ...

Well penicillin was never intended to be used the way it is. I don't believe you were implying that people should never be expected to change or adapt, right? 

SWF is in the game.

Lobby dodging is holding the game hostage because a player doesn't want there to be a difficult match. I'm not talking toxic as there is no proof of it given the game didn't even have a chance to be played.

Therefore a user's experience is literally on the loading screen waiting to load into the killer lobby. Only to then be dodged and have to go through this again and again. 

Not sure how old you are but it's like getting the old Microsoft Explore dialogue box that says your download will be complete in 15s...1min. 6000045678654min. Then a hourglass icon that just spins. 

I can completely understand WHY killers don't want to play SWF. I get it, however, the point still remains that it is in the game. 

This is how killers punish SWF.

How would you change SWF? What changes do you think SWF should have? Do you think said changes to SWF will stop most lobby dodging?

I am not asking about perk changes but what can be done to SWF, specifically, to make the game more appetizing to play.

Can we please stop throwing around the phrase taking the game hostage if you don't actually use it in its correct context.

If you honestly think dodging a lobby is taking the game hostage you're a moron.
Let me explain it simply, taking the game hostage is when a killer or other urvivor  blocks survivors in an area for a long period of time without an intent to kill/move or if a survivor gets into an area of the map where the killer is unable to hit them and abuses it.

Does dodging lobby fit into what I just explained above ..... no. It's not taking the game hostage then

No one whether it be killer or survivor should be punished for opting out of a lobby deciding to bail on a game in progress is a different story.

Aari_Piggy66 said:

slingshotsurvivor said:

Grimbergoth said:

@Mringasa said:
Killers are fine being able to pick and choose lobbies. I would much rather this than lose an Offering because the Killer was forced to play with the 3 Jedi Warrior wannabes who I got stuck with as a solo queue'er. You have to click again to join another lobby? OMG!!!! THE HORRORRRRRRR!!!! THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!!!! sigh

the largest complaint to lobby dodging are the ones being dodged . swf groupies think its horrid that a killer dodges their tryhard groups , and it forces them to take the time to remake the group every time they get dodged . here is the sad part , most groups that get dodged are the obvious 3 and 4 mans . So I find it kinda funny that the same people saying its unfair and a killer should be punished for their only available option to swf is in fact the ones using something that was never designed to be in the game to begin with to their advantage ...

Well penicillin was never intended to be used the way it is. I don't believe you were implying that people should never be expected to change or adapt, right? 

SWF is in the game.

Lobby dodging is holding the game hostage because a player doesn't want there to be a difficult match. I'm not talking toxic as there is no proof of it given the game didn't even have a chance to be played.

Therefore a user's experience is literally on the loading screen waiting to load into the killer lobby. Only to then be dodged and have to go through this again and again. 

Not sure how old you are but it's like getting the old Microsoft Explore dialogue box that says your download will be complete in 15s...1min. 6000045678654min. Then a hourglass icon that just spins. 

I can completely understand WHY killers don't want to play SWF. I get it, however, the point still remains that it is in the game. 

This is how killers punish SWF.

How would you change SWF? What changes do you think SWF should have? Do you think said changes to SWF will stop most lobby dodging?

I am not asking about perk changes but what can be done to SWF, specifically, to make the game more appetizing to play.

Can we please stop throwing around the phrase taking the game hostage if you don't actually use it in its correct context.

If you honestly think dodging a lobby is taking the game hostage you're a moron.
Let me explain it simply, taking the game hostage is when a killer or other urvivor  blocks survivors in an area for a long period of time without an intent to kill/move or if a survivor gets into an area of the map where the killer is unable to hit them and abuses it.

Does dodging lobby fit into what I just explained above ..... no. It's not taking the game hostage then

No one whether it be killer or survivor should be punished for opting out of a lobby deciding to bail on a game in progress is a different story.

I am not "throwing around" anything. Do you know when the games starts? Clearly we have a different opinion. 

You see it as when a match is started. 

I see the game starting as soon as a user loads the game up. 

I see where we differ and how you could perceive that the term, if only looked at it from your prospective, is incorrect. Hence my analogy, that was intended for one to understand a different point of view.

I'm happy you have an opinion however I didn't throw anything around. I do also realize you may have encountered people with who "throw around" words but my view was pretty clear, with a nostalgic analogy to boot!

Had you read what I said I am pretty sure you could see nothing in my response was thrown in half hazardly. 

Any word in any context can have a variety of meaning.

Language, to its credit, can have words that illuminate and elevate the ambiguous and tedious. Context and intent, to their credit, can be personified and personalized to create meaning. All of which, in my argument were pretty clear on exactly why I see it from an alternative perspective. 

Please don't assume that because *I don't hold your view I'm wrong without first understanding my point of view. 

There would be no problem with deciding not to play with players based on how they play, if all players were able to do it. The devs need to understand this.

Don't like players that teabag? Have more hours than you? Play with friends? Use DS+SB? Click flashlights? Use too many toolboxes? Whine in endgame chat? Good. Dodge & block them.

But you should expect to be dodged & blocked by people that don't like how you play. Of course, killers ######### and whine about being dodged b/c of MLGA, when they themselves been freely dodging for years.

Oh my God. 
People calling lobby dodging taking the game hostage... and asking for temp bans. The survivor entitlement is real!

A friendly reminder, that survivors only got their SWF, because they lobby dodged to get the same lobby as their friends. 

Now that killers don't want to play against this unintended feature, you want them punished. 

its simple, just split a queue for solo and swf play, and you'll have no more lobby dodges

@Thetruth said:

@Aviema said:
its simple, just split a queue for solo and swf play, and you'll have no more lobby dodges

Good idea but idk see killers joining swf queues

Is that a problem? I thought we were trying to solve the problem of lobby dodges not the problem of killers not wanting to play with sweaty swf groups.

You are lucky the dodging happens in the lobby and not in game.

Also lobby dodging is holding the game hostage? What are you smoking/snorting/injecting?

Because that ######### is potent.

@se05239 said:
When the developers start punishing survivors DC'ing whenever they get caught or when they don't want to lose their precious flashlights and when killers can see who's in a SWF and who's not, it won't be fair to punish killers for avoiding bad games.

exactly.

aaaaand here we go again, this place needs some detox treatment.

Xhaviour said:

well then they should finaly add a Normal Mode to that ######### and there they can do what they want and Ranked for those> @Rebel_Raven said:

Because it would punish killers by making them play against an SWF team, or solo players to play on an SWF team.

punish killer you stupid? thats ranked lol

Not sure the population could handle being split so hard, and you'll still probably get lobby dodgers because for some killers, punishing is practically demanding that they merrily walk into an obviously rigged trial vs an swf.
This game is not balanced for a killer to vs a group sharing information outside of perks. 

Don't move the goal posts on me. I replied to you complaining people were dodging swf because that's all you did before then. Not cool, dude.