Something's got to be done about slugging

The reason this strategy blows me away to begin with it's that it usually results in low scores for the killer too, which makes sense since it requires very little skill to accomplish. It's like facecamping and tunneling: Go ahead and do it I guess, but just know deep down that you're bad if this is the only strategy that "works."

There are only a few suggestions that warrant a nope from me.

Nope.

Like.. use UB?

still hard with them and if he camping a body or the hook you do gens you don't feed a bubba or any instadown camping killers.

Forgot No Mither

Agreed.... Sadly, some killers try to end it before it even begins, and they get their fun from that. I can't stand it. It's no fun at all. I like your idea about a faster recovery speed. My wife had this idea, and I'm with her. After being slugged for x amount of time ( say 15 seconds ) you get up automatically. Anytime you're slugged. I know that would cancel out unbreakable and no mither, but think about it. Killers would lose their minds. They would have to put in some skill, and effort to get kills. Take away unbreakable and no mither, and replace them with two different perks.

Slugging all 4 survivors at once isn't necessarily a strategy that takes a lot of skill, but it is a highly effective strategy. I would even go so far as to say it's a smart strategy because the majority of survivors throw their own strategy out the window when a teammate gets slugged. As a survivor main here's how most of the matches I see go where all 4 survivors are slugged at the same time:

• Killer slugs 1st survivor and hides nearby using the slugged person as bait.
• Another survivor runs up to heal the slugged survivor. Killer comes out of hiding and slugs the second survivor. At this point the other survivors had no way to know the killer was playing a bait game with the slugged person. There's not a slugging equivalent to kindred to let survivors know the killer is within a certain range of a slugged survivor. However, it's obvious this is what's happening when you see a second survivor get slugged the moment they get near the first one.
• Regardless of how obvious it is any attempt to heal one of the 2 slugged survivors will just result in that person getting slugged themselves there is still a better than 50% chance another survivor will run up and do it anyway.

It's not even uncommon for the 4th survivor to have seen all 3 others get slugged and still run up and try to heal one of them knowing they too will get slugged.

In other words when a killer slugs (or camps) they know there's a very good chance they are going to get another 1,2 or even 3 kills out of it because there are so many survivors that are incapable of not coming in for the heal or hook anyway. If you are one of those survivors your altruism and self-sacrifice are duly noted. That doesn't change the fact it was pointless altruism. It was a futile self-sacrifice with zero positive effects for you or the team. It doesn't change the fact that this type of useless altruism rewards killers that play this way.

So should something be done about it? Yes, but it isn't to punish slugging. Why punish a killer for implementing a strategy where survivors willfully and happily just hand them easy kills? What should be done is survivors should learn some important facts:

• There is no requirement a slugged survivor has to be healed. Pointless altruism doesn't help anyone other than the killer.
• When you factor in how long it takes a survivor to bleed out the rest of the survivors could knock out most, if not all, of the generators if the killer isn't willing to leave the slugged person. Guess what? If killers that employ this strategy started getting just 1 or 2 kills every match because survivors stopped rewarding the strategy you would see less of it.
• If you are slugged and the killer is staying close then heal. If the killer does get distracted for a moment or two you can be back on your feet quickly.
• If you run across a survivor that has been on the ground for an extended amount of time and hasn't healed at all just leave them. There is no point risking yourself to heal someone that couldn't be bothered to play intelligently.

So I agree that something needs to be done about that type of slugging, but what needs to be done is survivors need to play smarter. They need to quit making it a winning strategy.

I get what you're saying about bloodpoints, but I hate the arguments that basically boil down to "killers should play the way I want them to because it's more fun for me."

Killers are trying to have fun, too, and puttering around with potato survivors is pretty dull. Sometimes you want to try your best and be competitive, and wasting time entertaining the survivors or grinding out maximum bloodpoints feels more like a chore than something you're playing for fun.

Slugging is ok to some extent. I've seen killers slug and let the full health slugged survivor bleed to death just so that he can search the map and get the 4k. I've also seen killers leave a guy on the ground for 2 mins and get angry that he dc and let the last survivor get hatch. Slugging is for pressure not to get your 4k.

Secondly he mentions bubba. People mention just don't get close or pick up. Well... Bubba can multi down tons of survivors so that can be an issue (esp if basement hooked). A bubba can still probably get 2k by just facecamping. Other survivors won't get altruistic points and most likely depip if they gen rush and escape.

Lastly people argue run unbreakable or soulguard etc. Telling a survivor to run perks just in case of something is not how this game should be. Players should be able to take whatever perks they want to have fun, not because they have to.

Honestly there are too many toxic players on both sides. As a survivor I take DS and UB because there are way too many camping/tunneling killers (sadly at higher ranks). As killer u can be toxic by running ruin and undying or tunnel, camp or mori. As a killer I usually try to hook everyone first before I start killing. Yeah it causes me to lose more but I want everyone to have fun. My ego is not big that I think 4k makes una good killer or consider it a win.

Reading this thread gave me a chuckle, had to make a little comic about the altruism trap.

I feel like this is something a lot of players are ignoring. When I'm playing killer, you are making my job easy if you're going for the save so quickly. The players that wreck me usually know exactly how long their teammate can be on the hook or downed before they hit the next hook stage or bleed out -- and they utilize the time in-between to the fullest.

There's a weird line you have to walk between predictability and not over-committing that I think all survivor players need to be successful at this game.

Actually there r many ######### killers who camp, body block, and rly try to down everyone in 5 mins before hooking survs. They need to stop that. Even tho u can block any player, which btw, the game doesnt even let u opt out of crossplay, I should be able to make a choice whether I want to play with out of network players or not. 🙄

Im just gonna say this I hate I mean HATE how I lose my rank just because I get tunneled an moried and I mean I can't do a gen and the killer obviously isn't gonna down another survivor anytime soon and another thing I hate how myers instead of trying to hit survivor he basically just stalks until he gets tier 3 and when it stops he stalks until he has it again. The game is not bad other than wait time, campers, sluggers, and toxic killers.

Reading the title, i can tell you a lot has been done.

Desperate Measures, Unbreakable, Soul Guard, and WGLF (once the buff goes live). Killers get less points the less they hook people, so a 4k slug at the start barely nets you any points and a black pip at best.

If you're slugged, crawl to a pallet to recover. if he tries to pick you up, any close teammates can do a pallet save. he doesn't pick you up? Your teammate (and by extension, you) has a defense if he tries to heal you. If you're the last guy left, try to stay out of sight. go for the first person slugged who should have been recovering in the mean time. If you can't, they can see your aura, you can try gesturing them to crawl to you if there's any reason you can't go to them.

Also, 9+ hooks is an iri emblem. That's above and beyond the intended standard created by the emblems.

I agree but unfortunately you will never get killer players to admit it. They are so self-centered they think that they are the only ones who should be able to have fun with this GAME. They're "rules" they dont have to follow; the famous lines nearly all of them tout when you try to say ANYTHING about the game, only further proves how singular minded they are to allow them to play as toxic as they want without repercussions. This is why we have the game in the state its in now. NEITHER side is happy cause the other plays like jerks. Ive been killer and survivor and seen both sides play like this. I agree SOMETHING has to be done about slugging. I myself have posted on this topic myself which got the same reaction as this post has gotten. Most survivor mains will agree that its a problem, while most killer mains will simply say they can play however they want (which is true since as we've seen even when the devs put a mechanic in to deter killers from doing something they will do it anyways. The game is what it is. If it keeps going like it is though I have a bad feeling that it will be its own destruction. I dont know how a game can last when the entire thing is so fragile and it keeps ripping itself apart.

This is not a game problem, it's a skill problem. At least one of you should've had spine chill n said "oh he's coming" and then you guys should've ran off in opposite directions or hid. Even then, for him to successfully get all of you that fast, either you all need to work on your looping skills, or you were too concerned with rescuing eachother and screwed yourselves in the process. I suspect the latter, cannot tell you how many 4k's I've had because a team didn't want me to get one hook state and ended up losing the entire game in the process. It's called cut your losses.

Yes, I completely agree.

There's a good middle ground to get to when it's decent survivors and you play well against them for a 4k with lots of bp though.

This is really just a comment from a salty survivor main just get better at the game or bring in a perk to stop slugging complaining does literally nothing cuz it's never gonna change so figure it out