THE PIG - IS SHE VIABLE?

She's definetely decent.

The only things she need is an addon rework,because most of her addons are just straight up garbage.

And her RBT RNG should be more consisten for both sides.

It's frustrating to see a survivor immeadiately find the right box after like 10 seconds,but's it's also frustrating to die from the RBT because you were just unlucky.

Pig: Built in slow-down and free kill with some luck.

She's gonna get a high-kill rate because of this. Red ranks? Use any sort of slow-down that's over time and after that first to second gen, no more will pop. The problem with pig, and why she needs a rework, are her addons. Currently, she only has about 2 addons worth running every game. Last will, and combat straps. Combat straps should be base kit anyway, and last will let's you get even more slowdown out. The increased search time addons are fine, but reduced timer doesn't do much against good survivors. They focus on traps first anyway. Her ultra rare addons are both kinda bad. Amanda's letter is ok with certain playstyle, but rule set n.2 is terrible. It goes against the main point of her traps, slowdown.

Pig sits in an ok spot, but the devs need to listen to the community when we say "__ needs a rework." And what we are complaining about. Most of the time, it's the addons that are the problem. Not the base kit. We don't need an entire rework every single time we want something fixed. Minor changes are easier on you, and get things changed faster.

One could say the Nurse's bugs are as crazy as her power haha

Well,even Scorpionz admit that the tampered timer,extra boxes and longer search time addons are absolutely busted given how likely those are to give you free kills.

And i'm mainly talking about her ultra rare,more skill ckecks and RBT status effect addons.

She's semi viable to me. Her bear trap rng can swing the game too far to either direction. Either they cannot get them off and spend all match not working on gens or they get them off immediately and she no longer has a slowdown. Her add-ons also need to be looked at. If you're playing mainly stealth and ambush her better ones are yellow and an Iridescent but all of the add-ons that should be stronger affect her rng heavy power and become 4-5 time use or are kinda useless depending on how quickly they get them off.

I definitely agree with you there but when an unhooked survivor has theirs off within 30 seconds of being unhooked it just negates the add-ons for that trap, you can either put a new one on them or hope it provides a longer effect on the next person. I've had matches where they stay on for a very long time but I've also had games where within the first three gens I'm out of traps and all of the survivors have theirs off.

She is a stronger killer than most people give her credit for, I just think her power rng is too much of a variable. That's why I say she's semi viable.

I'm also looking at it from a baseline standpoint, just her, her perks, and her add-ons. I can slap BBQ, Ruin, Undying, and any random 4th perk and any killer can become more viable. After grinding and finishing adept achievements for the last couple months I have started to look at viability from a basekit, add-on, and teachable standpoint because those are what's needed for the adept rather than someone that has unlocked everything on that specific killer.

I've learned and do conserve my traps as needed. Generally I prefer playing her stealthy since her traps aren't as reliable and are a limited resource unlike every other killer.

Blight has Hex: Blood Favor to go with Undying and his add-ons can drastically make up for his shortcomings. Compound 21 for the "wall hacks" or any turning add-on if you're like me and have a hard time maneuvering with him. So him at baseline isn't that bad. Pig is a little off when it comes to perks but hers provide a lot of information (reworked Hangman's and Surveillance) with snowball potential (Make Your Choice) but her power makes up for those shortcomings having such a potentially strong slowdown with the rbt.

In general I agree with you, I just think everyone has a different idea of viability, win conditions, etc, when it comes to this game. I do place Pig in above average tier with how I look at viability though and other perks are cherries on top. My three killer mains are Pig, Hag, and I'm learning Nurse so I'm not dunking on her at all, she's super fun but to me rng can be spotty.

She's viable but she takes time to master unlike Freddy so be patient!

In the right hands she's viable

Random thought: Would it make the Pig more or less RNG based if the odds of escaping a Reverse Bear Trap increased by how many you've already searched?

If I'm not mistaken, right now when you put a trap on someone, that trap is keyed to a specific Jigsaw Box on the map. You can find it in one go, or it'll be the last one you search. What if, instead, you had a set chance of escaping on a Jigsaw Box that increased with each one searched. The first one you search is a 25% chance, second is 50/50, third is 75%, and last is guaranteed.

It would offer consistent odds of getting the Reverse Bear Trap off while reducing the odds it occurs the first time you do it due to a lucky guess. Add-ons that increase the number of Jigsaw Boxes change the odds accordingly, so for example 5 boxes would be 20/40/60/80/100. Odds are most people would get it off on second or third, but a bit of good luck can get it for you on the first, and bad would cause it to be last. It would be less guesswork where you're guaranteed to fail unless you find just the right box.

I'm not sure there's a way for the Pig's power to work as it is currently without some RNG element, so something consistent across the board would seem the best way to work around that.

I've also seen a few people mention that Ruleset No. 2, which causes Jigsaw Box auras to be hidden until the trap activates, should be baseline.

Just taking a gut guess, Pig might be really good against average survivors but relatively weaker than other killers against top survivors. A couple of reasons for that

• Her stealth works best against survivors with average situational awareness. Top survivors tend to be much more aware of their surroundings and possible ways a stealth killer can approach so are less susceptible to Undetectable characters sneaking up on them. They also are more likely to have Spine Chill which further hurts her stealth
• The reverse traps work best against survivors who aren’t intimately aware of the map and box locations and aren’t as savvy about how traps work (e.g. not knowing the trap doesn’t turn on until a gen is done so they may have a bit of time to finish a gen if needed before taking it off). Also Pig needs to down the survivors in the first place in order to place the traps on them, but obviously the better the survivor is at running the longer it takes to chase and down them. So in a way reverse traps are a bit if a “win more” ability, they can help you even more when your winning but if you’re losing and having trouble getting downs they don’t have as much impact.

So it’s possible that Pig os a killer that has a relatively high success rate at mid ranks but a relatively low success rank specifically against high rank survivors. And since those charts both appear to be including all survivors (i.e. the Red Rank chart is the killer is red rank but includes all the games where they faced non-red rank survivors) and since there are more average players than red rank players it would lead to an above average kill rate for Pig in this scenario.

I’d love to see a third chart which is filtered for games where all five players are red rank. It would be interesting to see what sorts of shifts there might be in these percentages. (I’m guessing that the overall kill rate across all killers in that chart would be closer to 55-60% for instance and that you might see Pig go down and Spirit go up, that sort of thing.)

Honestly not suprising, pig is actually one of the best m1 killers against decent survivors because she's got the built in slowdown with RBTs. Even if each RBT only keeps a survivor off gens for 30 seconds thats still 2 minutes of keeping a survivor off a gen that you wouldn't be able to otherwise. Realistically you will probably get more than 30 seconds from your RBTs. Even a survivor getting their trap off in 1 box is probably wasting at least 20. More often you'll see them wasting anywhere between 40 seconds and a minute and a half getting their trap off.

I rarely survive the pig. Highest rank I’ve been is a 5. Too many tools in her chest.