Maybe you should do something with tunneling and playing like #########

Aftertaste said:

...this game are slowly going to doom.

@SovererignKing said:
Peanits said:

@NextKillerSpongebob said:

What do you think killers think of pallet looping, DS and Sprint Burst?

You see, this kind of logic leads nowhere. It's all a vicious circle. You get mad about looping, so you tunnel, so they don't want to die, so they loop/DS, and so you tunnel, and so they loop, etc. It never ends. I ain't saying I like either, but if you fight fire with fire, the fire just gets bigger.

Better logic : I’m getting sick and tired of Survivors tunneling Gens. It’s so annoying they run to a Gen I just kicked, that 1/2 done and tunnel it till it’s done instead of going to a Gen that’s got 0% progress.

You never get an answer from a survivor when you bring this argument

DeadByFlashlight said:

@shasta said:
DeadByFlashlight said:

@SovererignKing said:

Peanits said:

@NextKillerSpongebob said:

What do you think killers think of pallet looping, DS and Sprint Burst?



You see, this kind of logic leads nowhere. It's all a vicious circle. You get mad about looping, so you tunnel, so they don't want to die, so they loop/DS, and so you tunnel, and so they loop, etc. It never ends. I ain't saying I like either, but if you fight fire with fire, the fire just gets bigger.

Better logic : I’m getting sick and tired of Survivors tunneling Gens. It’s so annoying they run to a Gen I just kicked, that 1/2 done and tunnel it till it’s done instead of going to a Gen that’s got 0% progress.

You never get an answer from a survivor when you bring this argument

It’s because you obviously want a free handout, looping is intended or you wouldn’t be able to just like tunneling and camping , they’ve given killers so much the past six months even gutting windows and pallets , but what’s the results? The same ######### players refuse to adjust to certain scenarios and still #########... what a surprise 

Uhm what?
I can still run a loopable killer for several gens and I am a mediocre survivor at best.

Ask yourself who is asking for a free handout here

God forbid killers actually do their objective and kill survivors. No one is stopping you from getting better at punishing tunneling.

There are a lot of things that don't work in this game, for both sides. I don't really main any of them, I like to play both roles, so I have at least some knowledge of what I am going to talk about here.
So, let's start with killers.

Killers have, from what I can say, much more that goes up their sleeve. First of all, which is a BIG point, killers have access to Bloodlust, which is split into 3 tiers, each one making the killer move faster. The longer they are in a chase, the faster they become. Survivors, on the other hand, have none of that, they do not become faster for making the killer losing time on them. Since Bloodlust is so easily accessed, and making the decision to not lose it by breaking pallets is something even a newcomer can think about, killers will always end up getting the hook on the survivor they are so fiercely chasing. What I mean is that, even if a survivor is making you lose precious time, you will get him, eventually, when your Bloodlust begins to stack. Of course, you are chasing one out of four survivors, so the others will be working on gens. Making the chase be shorter is up to the killer's skill. What takes no skill at all, instead, is camping and tunneling.
Anyway, I appear to have a different definition of what other players seem to have about these two terms. To me, being camped is when the killer stays on your hook until you die, even if that is your first hook, just because he is utterly bad or you pissed him off. What doesn't relate to camping is waiting for a hooked player to die, if he is hooked near an open exit gate (or a hatch), and if you know other players are VERY close to him. What I call tunneling is chasing the very same person until you manage to put them on the hook, no matter what. Going for someone who has just been unhooked in front of you is not tunneling, as of course you will be going after the guy who is closer to death. If you keep chasing him for the whole game though, even in this case, that is pure tunneling. Both of these are a major lack of skill. Killers also seem to have many more viable perks, even with builds that are only done for fun being powerful (just take a look at Monto).

Survivors are next on the to-do list.
Survivors have less viable perks they can use (think about Adam, whose only really good perk was nerfed before he even came out. I am talking about Autodidact, fyi. Deliverance is too situational to be considered good). Nonetheless, there are some perks which I will point out at the end of the post, for both killers and survivors, that aren't any good for the game (and that make noobs of those who pick them). Personally, I don't consider Self Care to be one of those perks, as you will have to lose the killer first, in order to heal yourself for a longer time. The only way survivors have to actually survive when being chased is to do some looping. Hiding doesn't work most of the time, especially if you are facing a Doctor, which was designed to be anti-stealth. The thing here is, survivors do not loop just to waste the killer's time. As a survivor, you also want to think about your teammates, being in a SWF group or not. You can't take down every single pallet on the map, leaving other survivors too much vulnerable to a chase. And while windows are mostly on open spaces the killer can easily circumnavigate without losing much distance on the survivor, pallets are often an exception to that. I'm not saying you should be using every pallet to escape, but looping gives you a better chance to stress the killer and make him go for another target. The same cannot be said about camping, as survivors will be doing gens, if they see the killer standing still in front of a hook. On the other hand, there are survivors who are blatantly stupid, who will unhook you even if the killer is already coming, if not in front of a camping one, just to get points. Those survivors should also be punished as hard as a camping killer. Don't get me wrong, I also dislike too much looping as a killer, but I feel like the killer has so much more potential in his hands. The only thing a survivor will do is running in circles around pallets. As a killer, you have the great potential of mind gaming, making them believe you are going that way, to trick them into coming right whre you want them to be.

Now, about perks and what I think about them.
Survivor perks that would need to be reworked are (just going to talk about toxic ones):

• Decisive Strike;
• Sprint Burst;
• Dead Hard.

Killer perks:

• No One Escapes Death.

As you can see, I don't have too many pretenses on perks. I don't know why the devs were not happy with the DS change they planned, but I feel like that is the right direction to go. Dead Hard and Sprint Burst, I don't really have too many problems with them, but a 40 second cooldown is not enough. You can hook someone who just used his Dead Hard, and even before he gets to the struggle phase, he will already have it up again.
NOED is pretty self explanatory, I guess. With the many instadowns that are already available in the game (and tell me if you ever met, if not in extremely rare cases, a Billy, LF or a Myers who will downed you without that), NOED is just a "crutch" perk. But it is even going to be buffed. I would remove the instadown effect and, perhaps, just buff a little more action speeds. Also, Freddy needs a big rework, as he is very unfun to play against, being the perfect example of tunneling, thanks to that nonsense of his innate aura reading. And he is not really fun to play as, either.

@HP150 said:
The killer should not kill anyone until everyone has been hooked twice. Then the survivors all die on their 3rd hook. So that there is a total of 12 hooks that need to be performed by the killer for the 4 kill.

But keep it at needing 2-5 generators completed for escape. Because that's fair. Also, don't touch my get out of jail for free perks like DS and DH and BT and SC and Adrenaline. Because 12 chances isn't enough for the survivor team.

@HP150 said:
The killer should not kill anyone until everyone has been hooked twice. Then the survivors all die on their 3rd hook. So that there is a total of 12 hooks that need to be performed by the killer for the 4 kill.

But keep it at needing 2-5 generators completed for escape. Because that's fair. Also, don't touch my get out of jail for free perks like DS and DH and BT and SC and Adrenaline. Because 12 chances isn't enough for the survivor team.

lol if those are get out of jail free cards, you're a bad killer. DS is getting nerfed already and I think someone said it is going to act like deliverance just from the killers grasp and permanent.

Oh sweetie, you will always be tunneled, camped, dropped and even put down in the naughty dungeon for some 'Fun time" Once in a blue moon you will come across a really good killer that knows how to play the game.