So... What do I do about flashlights?
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Fake the pickup, hit the survivor.
Run Franklins.
Tunnel the flashlights
Slug?3 -
Try to face walls as much as possible.
Do a quick sweep of the nearby area if you know FLs are in play.
Run Franklin's Demise or Lightborne.
If a Survivor starts trying to blind you and you have time to move, DON'T SPIN, Look DOWN. Survivors can still blind you with your peripheral vision, but you can't be blinded when you are looking down. It's also less obvious than looking up and you can see more, allowing you to get a hit on the bastard with the light as well.1 -
Look at a wall while picking them up, if you don't have Franklin's play hillbilly. He's a top tier killer, easy to learn, and he has lightborn. Or just simply dodge the lobby.0
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With the faster pickup time, survivor absolutely don't have the time to walk around you, if your back is to them. If you think a survivor is near and waiting for a flashlight save, turn around and quickly pick them up. Faking the pickup is also an option. You can actually fake it pretty well with Trapper and and Hag because using their power looks similar to pickup.
Facing a wall is 100% the best option and if you're aware of flashlights being in play, it's the only guaranteed option.
Perkwise, Lightborn makes it downright impossible to be blinded and Franklin's Demise gets rid of those nasty flashlights but requires you to actually hit. I find flashlights really rare since the pickup time was decreased.1 -
@SmokePotion said:
I keep running into game of 2 or more flashlights. And it's pretty much impossible to do much. What can I do to counter dropping my kill because they managed to put a light beam on my eyes that stuns me, even if I turn away?Lobby dodge flashlights
Slugg everyone (not picking them up) so that you dont get the animation lock (you will still get pallet blinded though)0 -
☝️☝️ Good advice but don’t trust lightborn 100% of the time because a good survivor will just start the blind sooner and still get you, it only grants so much of an immunity but not completely immuneshadowsfall42 said:With the faster pickup time, survivor absolutely don't have the time to walk around you, if your back is to them. If you think a survivor is near and waiting for a flashlight save, turn around and quickly pick them up. Faking the pickup is also an option. You can actually fake it pretty well with Trapper and and Hag because using their power looks similar to pickup.
Facing a wall is 100% the best option and if you're aware of flashlights being in play, it's the only guaranteed option.
Perkwise, Lightborn makes it downright impossible to be blinded and Franklin's Demise gets rid of those nasty flashlights but requires you to actually hit. I find flashlights really rare since the pickup time was decreased.1 -
How do you NOT counter them? You pick the survivor up fast as hell now. It used to be 5 seconds.
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Look up, down or to the side, use franklins or lightborn if you are still getting blinded
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It's effective 100% of the time with the reduced pick up. You need two survivors flashlighting at the same time to break through LB and even that's shifty.shasta said:
☝️☝️ Good advice but don’t trust lightborn 100% of the time because a good survivor will just start the blind sooner and still get you, it only grants so much of an immunity but not completely immuneshadowsfall42 said:With the faster pickup time, survivor absolutely don't have the time to walk around you, if your back is to them. If you think a survivor is near and waiting for a flashlight save, turn around and quickly pick them up. Faking the pickup is also an option. You can actually fake it pretty well with Trapper and and Hag because using their power looks similar to pickup.
Facing a wall is 100% the best option and if you're aware of flashlights being in play, it's the only guaranteed option.
Perkwise, Lightborn makes it downright impossible to be blinded and Franklin's Demise gets rid of those nasty flashlights but requires you to actually hit. I find flashlights really rare since the pickup time was decreased.
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I have to disagree , I’ve done it quite a few times it just consumes the battery faster. Start the blind when the killer begins the pickup when they first touch the survivor instead of the end when they hit the shoulder, I believe I even have a video recorded of it somewhere on my PS4 if I’m not mistaken but I can tag a few well known people I play with on here if you want confirmation that I know what I’m talking about with flashlights.Visionmaker said:
It's effective 100% of the time with the reduced pick up. You need two survivors flashlighting at the same time to break through LB and even that's shifty.shasta said:
☝️☝️ Good advice but don’t trust lightborn 100% of the time because a good survivor will just start the blind sooner and still get you, it only grants so much of an immunity but not completely immuneshadowsfall42 said:With the faster pickup time, survivor absolutely don't have the time to walk around you, if your back is to them. If you think a survivor is near and waiting for a flashlight save, turn around and quickly pick them up. Faking the pickup is also an option. You can actually fake it pretty well with Trapper and and Hag because using their power looks similar to pickup.
Facing a wall is 100% the best option and if you're aware of flashlights being in play, it's the only guaranteed option.
Perkwise, Lightborn makes it downright impossible to be blinded and Franklin's Demise gets rid of those nasty flashlights but requires you to actually hit. I find flashlights really rare since uthe pickup time was decreased.
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No way man test it right now and get a couple buddies in kyf you just have to start the blind early I promise it worksVisionmaker said:
It's effective 100% of the time with the reduced pick up. You need two survivors flashlighting at the same time to break through LB and even that's shifty.shasta said:
☝️☝️ Good advice but don’t trust lightborn 100% of the time because a good survivor will just start the blind sooner and still get you, it only grants so much of an immunity but not completely immuneshadowsfall42 said:With the faster pickup time, survivor absolutely don't have the time to walk around you, if your back is to them. If you think a survivor is near and waiting for a flashlight save, turn around and quickly pick them up. Faking the pickup is also an option. You can actually fake it pretty well with Trapper and and Hag because using their power looks similar to pickup.
Facing a wall is 100% the best option and if you're aware of flashlights being in play, it's the only guaranteed option.
Perkwise, Lightborn makes it downright impossible to be blinded and Franklin's Demise gets rid of those nasty flashlights but requires you to actually hit. I find flashlights really rare since the pickup time was decreased.0 -
Check the area before picking them up. If you think someone might be running in for a save, look the other way. This will make it take longer for them to get into position. When possible, face a wall while picking them up.
The window for a blind is incredibly small now that the pickup animation is shorter. Basically if they're not already in position, they're probably not going to get it. It's very easy to counter now.0 -
As others have said run Lightborn.
Although I find it less necessary since the last flashlight nerf.
Which I sort of miss as I used to get a fair few free hits on people who thought they could blind me.> @Jack11803 said:
How do you NOT counter them? You pick the survivor up fast as hell now. It used to be 5 seconds.
I was thinking the same. Far better than it used to be. I think I would only bother taking Lightborn now if I saw 3 torches in the lobby.
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I look to the side, and get blinded still. I'll try looking up.
How do i fake picking up someone/ put them back down?
Slugging does NOT work, everyone has self care, or another way to pick themselves up. So, unless i'm missing a tactic, this one has failed me.
Franklins Demise: I should NOT have to spend 5 bucks on a dlc and countless hours grinding a killer i don't want to get a perk that partly counters what seems to be an OP tactic.
Franklins demise again: The amount it pulls off the battery of the light is negligent. When they are running 2 yellow batts on a yellow light and have 18 seconds of light time, that's 9 kill drops per light, and that's just uncommon rarity. Maxed Franklin gives a 10% regression on that. It's really not a good help once you do a little math.
I do appreciate the feedback. i'll try the looking straight up thing, I hadn't thought of it since turning around failed me.
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@lyric said:
Visionmaker said:
It's effective 100% of the time with the reduced pick up. You need two survivors flashlighting at the same time to break through LB and even that's shifty.I have to disagree , I’ve done it quite a few times it just consumes the battery faster. Start the blind when the killer begins the pickup when they first touch the survivor instead of the end when they hit the shoulder, I believe I even have a video recorded of it somewhere on my PS4 if I’m not mistaken but I can tag a few well known people I play with on here if you want confirmation that I know what I’m talking about with flashlights.
@shasta said:
Visionmaker said:
It's effective 100% of the time with the reduced pick up. You need two survivors flashlighting at the same time to break through LB and even that's shifty.No way man test it right now and get a couple buddies in kyf you just have to start the blind early I promise it works
https://youtu.be/wq5sH28B3Bs?t=100You have to literally LET them flashlight you. This means picking someone up in their face. This will not be happening in a real match.
See 1:40.
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face a wall, slug and go after whoever is nearby with a flashlight, or take lightborn.
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There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.
I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
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@GrannyonAcid said:
There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
Next patch you are going to lose emblem points if you stay close to the survivor. So face camping them is going to be boring for both sides and keep him from pipping. A better solution is to just slug them (if they are swf using flashlights or more than 1 person has a flashlight) and go after the others. If it's one person using a flashlight just face a wall or possibly slug if you have to.
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@Elegant said:
@GrannyonAcid said:
There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
Next patch you are going to lose emblem points if you stay close to the survivor. So face camping them is going to be boring for both sides and keep him from pipping. A better solution is to just slug them (if they are swf using flashlights or more than 1 person has a flashlight) and go after the others. If it's one person using a flashlight just face a wall or possibly slug if you have to.
I really doubt that face camping is going to prevent people from pipping. Plus the situation I'm speaking of is not going to hurt you at all. The group will never leave the hooked player alone. Meaning that he won't lose any points since the survivors will all be in the 16 m range. Face camping shouldn't be frowned upon. Sometimes it's just the smart move. You think that it's fun for the killer to be denied a hook over and over again due to flashlighting and body blocking and saboing hooks to 99%? The game is already pretty unfun for the killer. You guys get to sit in discord and giggle like 13 year old school girls... "Oh my god. I blinded the killer! Did you see that sick save!" Killers get the satisfaction that they can face camp you and put tears in your eyes.
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Run nurses calling hit them chase if done right they think safe thrn you grwb them while healing
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@GrannyonAcid said:
There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
You are actually right in this, sorta. The "Bully Groups" tend to ignore gens, unless they are gen tapping and teabagging you. and will usual;y try to brute force a hook. Sometimes I can get more hooks, if they aren't survivor gods.
However I think it's dumb that I get punished in this situation next patch. If theres 2 people trying to unhook, it makes sense to stay near the hook, and try for a second hook. (or even third!)
THANK YOU to whoever posted the flasdhlight tutorial. Finding semi-recent guides for this game has been... Hard. There's almost no community. it's like it's well known this is an unballanced game or something...
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@SmokePotion said:
I keep running into game of 2 or more flashlights. And it's pretty much impossible to do much. What can I do to counter dropping my kill because they managed to put a light beam on my eyes that stuns me, even if I turn away?Flashlights aren't a big deal. There are numerous ways to counter them. From perks such as Franklin's Demise, Lightborn, and Overwhelming Presence to simple strategy such as making sure a survivor with a flashlight isn't nearby before picking up a downed survivor, facing a wall when picking up a downed survivor, or listening to the sound of their flashlight click when you are blinded.
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@SmokePotion said:
@GrannyonAcid said:
There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
You are actually right in this, sorta. The "Bully Groups" tend to ignore gens, unless they are gen tapping and teabagging you. and will usual;y try to brute force a hook. Sometimes I can get more hooks, if they aren't survivor gods.
However I think it's dumb that I get punished in this situation next patch. If theres 2 people trying to unhook, it makes sense to stay near the hook, and try for a second hook. (or even third!)
THANK YOU to whoever posted the flasdhlight tutorial. Finding semi-recent guides for this game has been... Hard. There's almost no community. it's like it's well known this is an unballanced game or something...
If someone is in range of the hook (i think) you don't lose any of your emblem progress. But if they are out of the (i think it's 16m) range and are waiting for you to leave then you are just going to lose a lot of points. I'm assuming the idea behind this is that it's incredibly unfun way to play and they also reduced the time it takes to heal which should extend the game so you won't have to worry as much about them getting unhooked. I think the change is ok but I will actually have to play the patch and see for myself on launch. I find camping incredibly boring from both sides of the hook.
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Looking up renders them useless, I haven’t worried about flashlights since learning that. I haven’t been stunned by one in like 4 months, give it a try.
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It'll only affect your rank if no survivors are near the hook. If someone is nearby, the game does not expect you to leave and will not punish you.SmokePotion said:@GrannyonAcid said:
There's really not a lot to counter flashlights. The only real way you can do it if you want to hook someone is to face a wall when you go for the grab. Obviously not every flashlight user is good. But when you're facing a SWF team that is all running flashlights. There's no other way to counter it. Wait till you down one next to a wall. Move your camera or walk to the hook backwards. Put them on the hook. Face camp the person.I'm very against camping myself. But at this point there's nothing wrong with just face camping them. They don't care that you're not getting points for hooking survivors. And if you let that person off the hook. It's just going to be a struggle to get the next person to one. Slowly face camp until they're all dead. Even if you face camp... They'll stay around the hook and not work on gens. You lose 0 time in these situations.
You are actually right in this, sorta. The "Bully Groups" tend to ignore gens, unless they are gen tapping and teabagging you. and will usual;y try to brute force a hook. Sometimes I can get more hooks, if they aren't survivor gods.
However I think it's dumb that I get punished in this situation next patch. If theres 2 people trying to unhook, it makes sense to stay near the hook, and try for a second hook. (or even third!)
THANK YOU to whoever posted the flasdhlight tutorial. Finding semi-recent guides for this game has been... Hard. There's almost no community. it's like it's well known this is an unballanced game or something...
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Use Franklin's demise, when you down someone always make sure to look around just in case and if you're lucky face the wall it makes it harder. I mean other lobby dodge, but that is not to say there won't be flashlights in the chest.
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