There are good reasons as to why people find some killers boring to play against.

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I respect your opinion, but how is playing against a killer like clown fun and interactive. I probably should've pointed out in the fun that the boring part is in terms of getting chased. I'm talking about the killer survivor interaction. My bad for not mentioning that. But in terms of killer-survivor interaction, fun is subjective, but not that much. Going up to a pallet over and over cannot be fun if you are looking to outplay your oppent. You running up to a pallet and dropping it immediately does not require skill. It may require knowledge, but not skill. I can make a case of the other killers but I want to talk about killer-survivor interaction of clown. There are fair guesses, and unfair guesses. A guess as to if the huntress will raise a hatchet will she approaches the pallet or run through it like a mad man is a fair guess and either side can outplay the other equally and fairly meanwhile guessing where a spirit which side of the loop where she will appear when she can hear you and know where YOU are, that is very unfair imo. I haven't talked about this issue on the forums, only on discord and youtube comments (yes im an idiot). And also the reason people enjoy getting intimidated in chase is because they don't have a full understanding of how a chase works in the first place, or they simply do not want to learn. Once you learn how to chase, it becomes more of a matter of reading your opponents, using knowledge of the maps and tiles to your advantage and taking advantage of the killer's mistakes. I have yet to find a survivor that know what they are doing in a chase and is intimidated by this game.

I don't think you understood what I meant. What I meant it that when it comes to spirit or deathslinger, the guessing game is INCREDIBLY favored in their favor. Meanwhile a simple t and l wall can be brought down to a 50/50 chance rather than the guessing game being tipped severely in the killers favor. When spirit is phasing, she can hear you, see your scratches, and move much faster than you. This new update has made it much better, whether intended or not, being able to hear her makes her much more bearable to play against. For deathslinger, aslong as you are in his sights and he can shoot you, he is zoning you by doing absolutely nothing. You have no idea if he's going to shoot the second you show up on his screen, or if he fakes the shot and zones you that way. The only thing you have to outplay him in this sense is sheer dumb luck.

??? I'm sorry but your argument makes no ######### sense. You're going to tell me that running up to a pallet and waiting for clown to kick the pallet is the same as running in between tiles as blight chases after you with a lethal rush??? What your trying to say is that every singles killer there is a certain playstyle, but what you don't realize is that for clown, there really only is 1 way to counter him if u want to counter him consistently. Meanwhile for other killers, there is much much more variety it terms of situations, and chances to out play the killer. Now I would love to try to do some weird ass ######### while going against clown like not dropping the pallet or predicting where he would throw the bottle, but it's no use. The only real way to counter him is to just drop the pallet as soon as comes at you in a chase

Yeah I do agree with you that clown and pyramid head aren't played that often, but it's not a matter of keeping your resources up, it's the fact that there is only one option. You will eventually have to drop a pallet regardless of how good the clown is unless he is literally braindead. I do agree with you that if used well and at a full healthy state, you could actually probably last around 50 seconds against a clown with one pallet. I know you didn't say that, but you implied that you can still do well with not using many resources, which I agree with.

This is kind of an ignorant statement. I play both sides very equally. I completely understand why some survivors use unbreakable ds, and why some killers run tinkerer undying ruin. Some people just want to win, some survivors don't wanna die in the game within the first 4 minutes or due to bad teammates, and some killers don't want the gens to be completed within the first 90 seconds of the game. I run different perks all the time as survivor and killer, but I also understand the people that run the same meta builds every game.

When I say a killer is boring, I mean that something is repetitive, or that my skill and knowledge of the game doesn't matter. If that is the context of what you mean inconvenience then you are correct. But I don't think that's what you mean. Getting destroyed by a good nurse is ok with mean, and at that point it's not an inconvenience, it's just me getting destroyed, and the nurse having a better understanding of how the killer works and has more skill than me. Meanwhile say for Clown, it doesn't really matter how good you are, as long as the killer doesn't suck ass, if you do not drop the pallet at a loop and he plays it somewhat right, he will hit you, which will result in you having to pre drop pallets against him in most of his chases. That's just an example. Against Freddy that slugs everyone with slowdown addons is boring because you're literally not doing anything. It's (almost) the same principle in a chase with deathslinger. Nothing you do really matters so at this point you're just kinda playing a cutscene until you go down. Also this is in the context that the deathslinger knows what he's doing. I agree getting slugged by a freddy with slow down addons is 10 times worse than what I'm stating, but what I'm trying to say is that the reason I find these killers boring is that nothing I do feels like it matters because I either am doing the same thing every time which gets boring for almost anything , or that my decisions don't feel like they matter.

Yeah I can agree with you on that note that some survivors only run meta builds, but I don't think you understand what I'm getting at. I'm not getting at the players for running the same builds every game. That's more on the devs fault. I also agree that innovation has gone down a bit, but I think the Blight was a really good idea implemented. Sure, maybe he's not that original, but at least they took a risk and did innovate somewhat aside from past dlc like PH. PH is so simple yet so boring imo he was not very innovative to the game. Also if every survivor runs the same loops over and over again then why haven't killer mains quit? It because killers can alter as to how the loops are played and is dependant as to how good a killer is in terms of balance wise, and how good a player is. I also don't think that whataboutism should be implied here (search it up). DS/Unbreakable and ######### is another topic as it covers another aspect of the game. It covers the winning aspect instead of the chase aspect. I agree that DS/Unbreakable and stupid ass perks like that are dumb. It's just not what I'm discussing.

I also respect you for saying that not all survivors do this. I try to be one of those. I respect you a lot because you made some good points :)

I get what you are trying to say, but if the purpose of dead by daylight were be to scare you, then this game would've died long long ago. The devs realized that the game after some time is not supposed to scare you. That's why decisive strike was nerfed. It was originally supposed to be a perk that just let you escape outright unfairly and the devs changed it for an anti-tunneling perk. This would not have happened if the devs recognized that the game was meant to scare you. If your point is that beginners are supposed to be scared, then you would be correct. But the problem lies when those beginners do grow and get comfortable with the game. And by your logic, the once beginner would now leave the game because it is meant for people who do not want to invest time into the game. And sure the concept of being chased by a killer is scary as all hell, but this game doesn't capitalize on that. There would be much much more jumpscares and it wouldn't be an asymmetrical game anymore, only then it would truly become a horror game. In some aspects I guess it is a horror game. Like the map setting is supposed to creep you out, but it's awful at doing that. If you buy this game for the horror aspect then you are going to ask for a refund 50 hrs into playing the game.

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I think we're on the same side. I dislike playing against slinger. Sometimes I ######### myself if he has M&A and shoots me before I even hear a faint heartbeat, even though he was not meant to be a stealth killer, I think he is the strongest stealth killer lol. Also what do you mean "as to why you like those killers."? I dislike playing against every killer I mentioned in my main post. Also I don't remember if you said this, but why do you think Demogorgon is weak. I think his map mobility with his portals was a failed pet project, but wwhy do you think his shred is mediocre. I don't know if it's a matter of skill but personally, I like playing against and as him for the single reason of using shred at like every loop.

Damn you the fist person to agree with me lmfao.

IMO Clown is the worst killer in the game, most killers in the game have snowball potential and nearly all of them have something rooting for them. Clown has literally nothing. The only good thing I see about clown is punishing survivors mistakes and that is too inconsistent and unreliable. I think he is the only killer that truly really relies on that. Also you saying that huntress has no counter play doesn't make sense to me. There are multiple ways to counter something the huntress does. First chase with her? Instead of dropping the pallet keep running, see if she runs through it. If she pulls up a hatchet and you keep looping, you will not get hit. Survivors haven't even been nerfed since like 2018 so I don't even know what you mean by that. Maps have been nerfed because some maps are absolutely ridiculous. Ormond is still bonkers. Haddonfield is one of the biggest maps with one of the most amount of pallets, mother's dwelling is incredibly hard to win on with a killer with no map mobility (so like half the killers), there are still busted maps in the game. Also, you saying that all killers have counterplay doesn't make sense. It really doesn't. You can counter the hillbilly and bubba by stunning him out of their chainsaw dash with a pallet which takes skill and knowledge. You can bait nurse into blinking into the pallet and then dropping it as she appears out of her blink. You can loop any m1 killers normally without needed to adapt to a certain tile. You have to explain what you mean by most killers having limited to no counterplay. To me it barely makes any sense.

Yeah killer really has never been easier. In terms of balance there are still a LOT of problems but it is so much better than what it used to be,

Hiding isn't even countering a killer, it's just wasting the killers time which in return makes them lose the game.

Yes it is very true that killers who have powers that down survivors faster will be picked more, but that's irrelevant. There is a major difference though. What good design killers will do is have a power that changes the chase and makes the survivor adapt to said changes. Huntress is a good example, billy is one too, nurse is also one, and oni is another example. It's a matter as to what the survivor can do to stop the killer from downing them as fast as possible. If someone expects a billy to respect a pallet and he doesn't the survivor goes down immediately. To me that is very fair. The survivor did a bad read and it was an equal opportunity where the billy could've respected it, and the survivor would've outplayed him by reading him. Now say for deathslinger, it is not an equal opportunity to outplay him. If he is able to see you and you are within 14 meters within his range, you will not be able to react to his shot, therefore you have to randomly guess ask to when he is going to shoot. The best play deathslinger can do is literally not shoot at all because he zones people by doing nothing. Chase time and boring killers may correlate, but it does not equal that killers who can down people fast are boring to play against. I agree with you that it sucks to go against a team who do gens efficiently. If anything all that really does is just make you better and for each game you get steamrolled, the rarer it will be that you will lose. I've played this game for a really long time and playing survivor is getting a bit unbearable. The only reason I still play this game is because sometimes they release a new killer who's really fun to play as and/or against. Again the main problem I have with what you said is that imo, correlation to the fact that some killers have fast chase time does not mean that they are boring killers to go against.