Playing cleanly gets you nowhere
Been trying lately to play as 'cleanly' as possible, no defending hooks, no tunneling, no moris (barely used them) yet, depsite trying to hook all players as many times as possible to make it 'more fun' for everyone, the survivors still blitz the last 2 gens and then bodyblock as I go for late m1, taunt and tea bag at the gates when I get there.
You can't win
You play dirty, you get hate mail, you play cleanly, you hate yourself. I play both sides and I've lost all anger when playing as a survivor which I used to only play. Now, when a killer moris, tunnels or defends hooks tightly, I don't show any ill feelings towards them because frankly, if they don't, they get rinsed by the power side.
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That's karma
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Play however you want my man, you get hate either way so play however you want.
You want to use noed? Go for it, you want to use ds+unbreakable? go for it
You want to 1 hook mori yup go for it even if it's boring.
I just got hate for using clown with stbfl and pop because "there are no counters"
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Here is the thing, you need to toss out that book, you know... the Survivor's Rules for Killers. Who put these silly notions of what is "clean" and what isn't in your head. The only thing you have to do to play in a sportsmanlike way is:
- Don't cheat, either by hacks or lag spikes.
- Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
- Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
That's it. When you are in a match you play hard, give 100%. If that means you sometimes have to camp, tunnel, slug, or Mori... you do so. There is nothing "dirty" about those tactics. They are all valid and have been given a clean bill of health by the DEV countless times. What I would say is that they are niche tactics, and when used wrong will hurt you more than help you. When used correctly and in balance with proper Gen-Pressure, herding, and hooking in the right places, will win you games.
So yes, you are correct, playing the game wearing ankle weights and with your hands tied behind your back will get you nowhere.
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I play cleanly and I don't hate myself at all
I'd rather let all four survivors go rather than tunnel/face camp. I think the game is far more fun for both sides when the killer plays with sportsmanship
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I play a pretty clean game, but I have to agree that that's not what DBD incentivizes killers to do.
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If DBD wants to be a fair game, there needs to be more win conditions other than "kill one player then snowball" for killer.
One example is the Basement solely exists to tunnel people to death. Monstrous Shrine enables it as well despite everyone saying it's garbage. It's a perk designed to keep people in the basement permanently which is just fine by the devs.
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Lol, I needed to see that. "No counters..."
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You can't win
Exactly. There will always be a person that doesn't agree with your playstyle even if you are the most angelic killer being in the game.
So...it's time that you decide for yourself what kind of playstyle you enjoy the most. Because your own opinion should be the only that matters here.
You can never make it right, so why even care?
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wen i have a mori i only use it for the toxic players or if it is the end and i am running out of options
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Keep in mind this applies to both sides as well. Imo any build is fine. Earlier I lost a 4K to an obvious DS that I missed. I didn't rage that he was using DS. I sent him a message saying GG, he thanked me, said I did well. Pleasant.
Toxicity breed toxicity. Play whatever you want, just don't be rude about it.
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I take Moris if I feel like it. The matchmaking is so horrible I usually only get one or two anyway.
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You set the difficulty in every match as much as the other players do. If you go into a round with the intent to "play fair", don't be upset if the other side are going in to troll, they can't help not knowing you werent going to stomp them. If you wanted to win you should have gone into the match with the intent to win.
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You can win quite a lot of games even at rank 1 playing cleanly, but it's just because of a multitude of messed up systems piling people up at ranks they don't belong in. IE you end up playing against a lot of bad players even at rank 1.
When you go against actual good survivors playing cleanly loses you the game. You can't play that way and win if they are playing optimally. That's part of the issues people have with all the second chance perks that force you into a lose/lose scenario because if you're against actually good survivors you can't afford to play around them. Eat the second chances and lose, or don't slug/tunnel/camp and lose.
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Its not up to the survivors to make the match last longer by not pumping out their objective, and its not up to the killers to cater to the survivor's happiness by trying to 3 hook everyone and give everyone a fair shot. Its entirely up to the developers to create an environment and match pacing that is conducive to both sides having a reasonable amount of fun, whatever the vision of that developers for that fun may be.
I too, have stopped judging killers for whatever action they take during matches....although moris are still a bit too much and deliberate BMing I still see as scummy. Like pretending you're gonna give hatch or exit gates only to betray and hook survivors.. I think thats in terrible taste and sadistic.
However, tunneling, camping and slugging are just sometimes completely necessary. Same with survivors blinding, hookbombing, finishing gens in your face. It's all fair game.
Play however you feel you have to to achieve your own goals for your own play session, so long as you don't cheat. Like I said, it's up to the developers to create the game experience they want players to have, not players to police themselves or others.
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That's because you fell into the mental trap that there's such a thing as "playing cleanly" beyond just following the rules set by the developers. There is not. Play however you want, as long as you don't break the real rules, and you're good.
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Playing perfectly by Survivor rules is a surefire way to lose. Survivors truly do have to be goofing around our make really bad mistakes to have the game not go their way if the survivor plays nice at all. Most survivors won't respect a killer who gives them an opening. They have 0 incentive to make the game more enjoyable for killers.
You have to try to catch people going for unhooks a little bit. You need to try to take out a survivor relatively quickly to maintain any sort of pressure to movie between gens, especially in SWF. This isn't sweaty even if many survivors will still act that way.
That said, you don't need to camp hooks. You don't have to always go for the person unhooked to get them out immediately. You don't need to ensure a 4k every single game. There's a healthy middle ground and toxic people on both sides will get angry regardless.
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If the survivors seems a bit rubbish or play like solos, focus on maximising your bloodpoints (i.e. play "cleanly"). If you are against efficient players, flashlight-clickers or teabaggers, then that is an invitation to play "dirty" and try to get someone out of the game.
Let's be hoenst here, many of us feel bad for getting a default Meg out of the game because she didn't know how to drop a pallet from the correct side, but a teabagging, flashlight-clicking meta-perked P3 blendette mic'd up in a SWF? Yeah I'm not going to feel bad in the slightest.
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I mean, you don't have to play like a complete dick, but when opportunities fall into your lap, such as an unhooked survivor running right into you at a different tile, you take it.
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This man speaks the truth. You paid for your copy of the game so you can play it however you please. Tunnel, camp and mori as you please. The fact that you even tried to play nice is mind blowing. The survivors (despite what they preach on here) certainly dont care about you and your killer.
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There are only a few killers you can play 'cleanly' with . Hag, nurse, spirit. So basically killers with high mobility and great map coverage.
I main Clown. Unless the other side is 4 potatoes, no way in hell can you play clean. There's a reason some killers are bottom of the tier list.
I think survivors seem to forget (if that's the right word), 75 percent of killers can't cross from one side of the map to another and are better suited to proxy camp/ 3 gen defend.
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My last few games I've been in control of the game, ruin still up, some survivors already hooked, some left to heal, 3 stacks of remember me. I took my foot off the pedal, walking to all gens not defending the hooked survivor, only to the gen outplayed late game and then get taunted for being a nice killer. One survivors chased after me as I went to go afk after 3 had escaped through exit.
Put it this way
Had I defended hook, tunnelled a couple of the same survivors and used noed or a mori, I'd have won easily but *****ed off the survivors.
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No matter how you play, what you do, survivors will complain.
Even if one player left on a hook , rest of team all dead, and you're standing next to him, he'll call you a camper.
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People will always find something to ######### about, however you play. If they don’t dislike the killer you chose they dislike your perks, or your playstyle, or your add ons, and on and on.
Same goes for survivors, too. I’ve had killer players berate me for perks, items, bodyblocking to help my teammates, doing gens, not doing gens, doing totems, not doing totems, trying to help a camped guy, not trying to help a camped guy, and on and on and on.
You will never be able to play in a way that satisfies the other side because anything you use to win, they will inevitably complain about. So just play to have fun, whatever that means to you. As long as you’re not cheating or going out of your way to grief someone then you’re good.
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I love to play fair. Even if the survivors are toxic at the end, i still feel good, because i played in a fun way for myself.
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Every time I see your name in a thread I just know it's going to be something sensible that I agree with. I try to make games fun for everyone, as well as myself but I definitely don't follow a rule book.
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Camping, slugging and tunnelling all have their place in the game and survivors have perks that can counter these. Just remember the 45th rule in the survivors rule book:
"If the killer wins, it is their fault for being a bad killer"
and the 46th rule:
"If the killer loses, it is their fault for being a bad killer."
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Well you gotta just do you man. Enjoy yourself. Want a 4k then play hard. Don't want to play hard then just have some fun. I had a lot of fun just trying to keep the middle gen in lerys once. They wanted it bad and I didn't have much of a reason to let them finish it. It was a bummer when they gave up. Make your own objectives.
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There's no real point to playing cleanly if you don't get anything out of it. Besides that everyone's gonna find something to get mad at regardless of whether your playing fairly or not. Like you could play fair the entire game and they complain about a perk they didn't even realized you had or something you didn't intentionally do but was mostly their fault. Such as them running around closely in a hooked survivors vicinity and your chasing them but then they claim it was camping. Unless your just playing cleanly because it doesn't feel right to play in a mean way, than more power to you but the survivors aren't gonna be any nicer.
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That is what weirded me out the most, like you know..... Go to a pallet and drop it, boom without brutal strength I won't catch up anytime soon.
But I guess now every killer don't have any counters.
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Yeah, it is very hard to 12 hook four good survivors.
And next to impossible if they're going be pounding gennys.
I play as fair as possible, but without cucking myself. And I play to the intensity of my competitors.
If they seem to be memeing ill chill a bit.
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If you play without being toxic, tunneling, camping, etc, it should be fun, but I agree it is not. Trying to not chase the same person twice, to not take advantage of finding the person that is still hurt after being unhooked, usually, for me, ends up in me hooking survivors twice and then all of them (or maybe minus one) escaping. I played fair? Yes, but do I feel good when I'm the killer and almost everyone (or everyone really) escapes? No...
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Never have played clean, never will.
If you'll excuse me, The Spirit and I have some survivors to instadown with Devour.
*distant cackle*
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It's weird to me how so many people play with anger. I am a survivor main and I personally enjoy every trick in the book a killer can use to win the game. (I struggle a bit with Myers addon to just kill you on first down) but even then it's just another dynamic that makes me rethink how to improve. As survivors, the game should be slightly biased towards killers in as much as to prevent someone walking around with a flashlight like they are invincible. The game should be balanced to think twice before taking an action. I firmly believe that best against best (minus swf on discord) the killer can control the game. If they seem to wipe up early a bit, they have the option to run around more and spread the love, but if one decides to go on a rampage like huntress with iridescent heads, well, so be it. Just dodge the axes and don't get seen ;). Just enjoy and never stop learning.
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