Anyone who says the Wraith is weak

Maybe were not bad but your just very good? Just kidding im awful )::

i main him and Spirit (i play other killers too), rank 1 currently, and i can say to you that against a good team who runs to nearby vaults and loops while uncloaking, you will have a really hard time because you waste so much time. Even if you just hit&run. If they do what every good squad does -> splitting up, looping as long as they can, it's hard to win with him. I even lost on Hawkins, probably his best map, against a good squad yesterday.

With spirit on the other hand, you can end chases quick and play around ugly loops. It's the only killer i play where i feel that i can compete with really good squads. That's why chase killers are the high tier meta.

Btw red ranks doesnt mean anything. They're often better than purple squads but you can get to red ranks by just playing much. Have a good start, injure 2 and down 1, and snowball from there, and you win against the mediocre red rank squad with any killer.

I've also 4ked as wraith with much worse perks and addons than that. Same goes for clown, trapper and legion, and most regularly pig who I assume are all also S-tier now as a result of my personal experience. Or I'm actually just a god at this game (I am not)

I mean... They might not be "M E T A" perks but they're nowhere near bad on Wraith. Hell, I'd say Enduring is a meta perk for Wraith because he so desperately needs it.

Also, as others have pointed out, you're using one of his best add on combos. Wraith is one of my mains and I love him, but he is weak. I've seen people 4k Stomp as Clown at Red Ranks, that doesn't change the fact that he's arguably the worst killer in the game.

Wraith NEEDS add-ons to perform well, his base kit is horrendously weak. That's why he's weak, he's so, so add-on dependent.

"The weapon is only as strong as its user"

Setiing aside the red add-on this particular poster used, I think it’s a mistake to rate killers on their “no add-on” base kit because realistically there is no rational reason to ever play without two add-ons of some sort, even if they’re just brown and yellow. Sure you might not have a specific green or purple or red add-on handy for a particular game, but brown and yellow add-ons are trivially available and the designers are assuming that killers are using all their available add-on slots when they play.

So the better practical question isn’t “is a Wraith with no add-ons as good as a Huntress with no add-ons”, for instance, it’s “is a Wraith with brown and yellow add-ons as good as a Huntress with brown and yellow add-ons”. A killer is really only “add-on dependent” if they aren’t good without rare add-ons that are harder to find.

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You missed the literal entire point of this post.

Smoking causing lung cancer is not the same thing as smoking is the only cause of lung cancer. You are conflating the two.

I'm pretty sure that most people mean that Wraith is incredibly add on reliant when they say that he's weak. Seriously, if you are on wraith and the survivors can spot your shimmer and you aren't using at least decent add ons... you're going to have a very bad time. But... addons like Windstorm, either clapper, Ghost, double reappear add ons... all of those make Wraith significantly better.

There is literally no reason not to use any add-ons other than to brag that you can win without them.

Nurses/Sloppy + Silent Bell is pretty much the strongest Wraith build. I also have no problems getting 4k with that. If I run Pop + Surveillance or Tinkerer, they mostly get down to 4 or 3 gens max as well.

Try addonless for some games and show the results

What map was it on?

How would you describe the match in general?

How many:

Hits did you get?

Hooks did you get?

Gens completed?

How long did it take to get your first hook?

How long did it take for the first gen to be completed?

Rather then showing us a screenshot after the match and saying something... take the time to look at the match(es) and develop your idea before putting out there

Weak is generally a term used to describe how killers would fare against good survivors or swf, any killer can 4k with a blindfold against 4 pepegus at red ranks which seemingly this game has enough of to make 98% of your games cakewalks, but the real measure of how strong a killer is depends on that 2% which is if you are capable against a swf.

It does at least mean you are better than the common pepegas that tend to reach red ranks just by playing the game and probably have 50-100 hours and can probably beat out the odd solo queue

But if you went up against a 4 man swf even if they were just a casual squad you would probably get rolled just because wraith doesn't give players the tools to deal with that.

Nurses is meta, you’re add ons are powerful. The survivors builds are questionable as well, this picture you’re showing doesn’t mean much, but you’re correct about him not being weak.

The wraith legit terrifies me 😂

Unless you're just starting the game, or you're level 1 killer and just got them, you should have a ton of lower level add ons and should be using them. There's really not a reason not to bring at least 1 brown every game

"Why do people say the Wraith is weak? Maybe you're just bad players. That's all."

Well that's some silly logic and can easily be applied here to yourself. Maybe the players you killed in your screenshot are just bad survivors.

You're running silent bell, sloppy, and nurses. Unless you have 20 iridescent addons in your inventory at all times I highly doubt this is an average game. Additionally, one of the survivors has barely any bloodpoints, so I assume you either camped them or they killed themselves on hook. Coming from someone who has played wraith a lot at red ranks, there are multiple reasons he's considered much weaker than a lot of other killers on the roster:

• His shimmer is very easy to spot on open maps, anyone who so much as glances at their monitor will see him coming.
• Without windstorm you don't move that much faster while cloaked, I think it was like 11% base kit.
• Wraith's footsteps and snarls are noisy, albeit they're a little bit harder to notice unless he's right around a corner.
• Your power doesn't have much practical use in chases if survivors loop well.

Wraith suffers a lot against good survivors. Wraith can be easily spotted on open maps, requires windstorm for mobility, and is lackluster in chases. Overall he's definitely not the worst, but he struggles with a lot.

I don't think the Wraith is weak per se, but he's definitely not top-tier. He can be tricky for survivors to deal with if the wraith player is exceptionally good at doing more than just getting close and uncloaking, though. He has a lot of mindgame/trickery potential.

That said, I played like damn near 100 Blight games in a row with no add-ons and with BBQ as my only perk. I'd say I won (3k+hatch or 4k) at least 60 of them.

Of course, I could cherry pick my wins and talk about how amazing Blight is (he IS really good, not trying to downplay that) but in reality solo queue means a lot of survivor teams end up having at least one spud, and one spud is all it takes for you to really apply pressure you wouldn't against a competent SWF. Naturally, part of being a good killer is knowing when and how to apply that pressure, but I think this game only having 20 ranks (and it being SUPER hard to lose ranks and not go back up) along with pretty barebones matchmaking makes it really hard to get a gauge of killer quality or strength without enormous sample sizes.

Not to be mean but I play a bit of Wraith and I have got to say that Nurses is meta for any stealth killer and Enduring is amazing on Wraith because of his 5 second stun while cloaked gets cut to 2.5. Also that is an amazing add-on combo for him. One of his best. And as Wraith is a chase oriented killer I prefer to run this build on him: Pop, Nurses, Brutal, and Enduring. You have three of the perks I use in most of my games.