Oppression would be amazing if base regression was worth it.

The problem with Oppression imo is the 80 second cooldown! The perk needs a cooldown, but 80s is too long!

I think Oppression is a very good perk for killers that have very bad map pressure just cause it keeps them from having to go to each gen specifically.

I'm curious if Oppression would work well with Trail of Torment. Kick a gen to become undetectable and if a survivor fails a skill check on a different gen you know which general area to go, all with no terror radius.

I don't understand this argument at all. What did u do before undying came? Are you saying it was impossible to win a match? Cause that's just nonsense.

It is like a tier 2 Overcharge

Who said it is meta?

I think Oppression has the potential to be a good perk, but I don't think it's going to be a good perk on its own. I personally am excited to pair oppression with pop goes the weasel, surveillance, and possibly even surge too, as long as surge does actually trigger oppression after the PTB. Using it not as a slowdown perk, but as a detection perk when its paired with surveillance is the main way I think Oppression will be useful. I'm excited to hopefully incorporate it into my pig build, but I do think the ruin/undying combo will be better on killers that can reliably defend totems.

That's how the game just is though. You shouldn't measure ur success against gens because that doesn't work. The first three gens are always the easiest to pop and its about how the other ones go once you've started getting pressure. Like I wouldn't be fussed if two or three pop wiht my first hook becuase often i'm then able to play from there and win.

I just think it's silly that people expect to be able to win at 4 or 5 gens, that's an indicator of the survivor's ability to hold m1 not of who won. LIke someone who slugs and one hooks everyone at 5 gens didnt do no where near as well as someone who got twelve hooks by endgame.

If they wanted to get fancy, they could even give it something like...

"Any generators put into the regressing state by Oppression will regress at a rate of 200% if the generator is above 75% completion, 150% if between 50% and 75%, and 100% (normal regression) if the generator is less than 50% completed."

It could get slowly weaker the more it regresses a generator, but never weaker than base regression. So still weaker than ruin, but not meme-weak.

please don't strawman and read what i wrote. I didn't say it takes me 45 seconds to get a down. I said that, if a survivor does nothing but hold w in the opposite direction of the killer when they hear the terror radius, it takes 45 seconds to get 2 hits, from doing literally nothing, but holding w.

Seriously, do the math.

I don't think you are understanding, on average, i down people much faster, but the math i am talking about is if survivors just hold w, and we remove everything possible from the equation (perks, killer powers, pallets, windows etc.).

Imagine this scenario, which is pretty typical.

• Game Starts
• All the survivors hop on different gens within say, 20 seconds (maybe 1 or 2 are able to get on 1 right away but the other 2 take 20 seconds to run to one)
• Killer runs the the opposite end of the map, where survivors typically spawn. This takes about 10 seconds, depending on the map.
• Killer finds a survivor on a gen.
• As soon as the survivor hears the terror radius of the killer, they immediately hold w and run in the opposite direction of them.
• If they don't try to pallet loop, or use windows, or do anything other than hold w, killer gets a hit, survivor continues to hold w until the killer gets a down, killer grabs the survivor and hooks them. Here is the math on how long that takes:

Facts:

• Average killer movespeed is 4.6 m/s
• Survivor movespeed is 4 m/s
• Average terror radius is 32 meters
• Average human response time is .25 seconds, to account for latency, and the fact that a survivor is distracted and they need to find the direction the killer is coming from, lets multiply that by 8x and say they can react and know where the killer is in 2 seconds.
• A running survivor movespeed is 4.6 m/s
• A survivor that gets hit runs at 6.0 m/s for 2 seconds.
• A killer attack cooldown after a hit is 3 seconds during which they are slowed by 90%.
• A killer lunge range at max range is 6 meters, due to latency, reaction time and other factors, let say the killer lunges at 5 meters.

Killer is 32 meters away from the survivor. 2 second later the survivor is able to react and start running the opposite direction. The killer is now 22.8 meters away.

The killer catches up by .6 meters every second the survivor is running, which means that (22.8 - 5)/.6 is the number of seconds it will take to catch up fully to the survivor when factoring in lunge range and not baiting out a dead hard because the survivor is uninjured. This means the first hit takes about 29.6666 seconds, lets round that DOWN nicely to 29 seconds.

1st hit takes 29 seconds. Now, lets math out the second hit:

Killer is animation locked for 3 seconds due to the hit animation, and they basically can barely move, they get a 90% speed reduction. So during those 3 seconds they can travel 1.39 meters, so lets just round up and say 2 meters. During those 3 seconds, the survivor is moving at 6 m/s for 2 seconds, and 4 m/s for 1 second. Which is a total of 18 meters. The killer moved 2 meters, so now the survivor is 16 meters away. The killer now needs to cover 11 meters of distance to reach lunge range. During that time they gain .6 meters per second. This means 11/.6. During this time, the killer takes 18.3333 seconds to catch up and down the survivor. Let's round that down and say 18 seconds for the second hit.

Now the survivor is downed, the killer then picks up the survivor, which takes 2 seconds, they then need to travel to a hook, which typically will take around 5-10 seconds (let's say 5 to be generous) and then its a 1.5 second animation to actually hook them.

Now let's add all that up.

10 seconds to locate the first survivor

29 seconds for the first hit

18 seconds for the second hit

2 seconds to pick the survivor up

5 seconds to walk to a hook

1.5 seconds to hook.

Adds up to

10 + 29 + 18 + 2 + 5 + 1.5 = 65.5 seconds.

Now, during this entire interaction, what was going on? The other 3 survivors were on gens. A generator takes 80 seconds to complete. This means that even if you were to know exactly where to go, say with BBQ, 3 generators would likely complete before you could locate the next survivor.

Now, you might say, "But some killers have chasing powers, like huntress". This is true, but survivors also have pallets, and windows, and looping etc. So we aren't factoring in any of that now, trying to keep it basic.

Now you might say. "But you wouldn't focus 1 survivor like that, you'd get the rest of them off gens first." To which i say, of course you would in a typical game, but now if you look above, it actually takes longer to get that first hit, then it does the second hit. This means that it is actually more efficient to just keep going until you get the second hit.

This is why this game has so many problems.

Now, i'm not saying this is a typical game, nor that everyone always perfectly spreads around to the gens or everyone always plays optimally. But i'm saying that, if everyone DOES play optimally and plays at the highest level of play, this game still heavily favors survivors. The math just doesn't add up.