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After clown gets buffed pig will be the weakest killer in the game and I’m sad
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Just sayin'.
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My only thing is when you guys say not to follow statistics but then when OoO is brought up ethan said "well our statistics show most OoO users die" could that possibly because they get tunneled or camped for running that bs? So when should we and should we not use statistics?
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Ahh, we appreciate you beiing here with us Almo and keeping up with us. It must be rough a lot of the time with how people can be here.
There's always a reason why each killer is where they are. Pig for example isn't that different from wraith gameplay wise but they're pretty far away from each other. Having high or low kill rate doesn't mean much as there are too many variables to use it as ground for balancing killer (not that you would I hope at least).
For kill rates difficulty to preform well is what it shows, not effectivness of the killer or their strenght. DBD community as a whole is full of players who aren't that great at playing really optimally, especially survivros who enjoy all kinds of self destructive actions. Kill rates do offer some amout of information about killer's overall strenght but not even remotely enough to show how good they are againt opponets of equll skill.
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Does that mean Nurse needs a buff
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Are there any theories as to why that is? I definitely don't think she's the weakest killer especially with certain add ons, but I'm surprised at her performance. Not disputing the stats, just surprised. Are typical Pig games appreciably longer than a say, a Plague or Clown game? Do the bear traps maybe cause coordination issues among solo queue teammates?
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Demo isn't bad.
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Demo is really, really good.
It's criminal how underrated he is.
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Just like they said about billy and nurse!
Look how well that went!
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2nd highest kill rate, worst killer in the game, sounds about right
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Hay people still say the nurse is the strongest killer in the game despite having the objectively poorest preformance of all killer at even the highest ranks.
The devs are insanely selective on what they'd want to use from the stats as "Valid" given that they used the survival rate stats of OoO to try to justify why its not game breaking.
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the devs are selective in what they show because people complain no matter what they show
show to much people complain they can't understand it
show to little people complain its not detailed enough
show nothing people complain they don't have stats
the least effort is all they should give to an audience like that
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Has there actually been an instance of the devs showing too much information and players complaining about it?
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Yeah, he has portals that you can mind game with well and a built in chase shortening ability. Plague and Demo are both good. They just lack representation within the community.
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He's not bad, but he's not good, either. The fact that he broadcasts every action he's taking, most which are globally, and how sub par his addons are, keep him from being where he could be.
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Based on data then nurse is the worst killer in the game but we know that’s not true lol you can’t just go on data ...look at OoO apparently it’s not a problem based on stats? But we know that’s wrong it can very much so be a problem
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Not just the pick/kill data you guys released, but looking at the forums. It doesn't seem like many complain about going against her. Some complain that she is weak, but i think it's more that she is deceptively difficult to learn.
I play a decent amount of pig, and don't think I have had anyone DC on me. If so it was few and far between.
I think she needs an add on pass since almost all of her add ons are bad to ok-ish at best. But other than that I think she is among the best balanced of all the killers.
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The next weakest killer would be the wraith.
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Given the flexibility, cooldown length, and speed of the teleport, I don't think it's too egregious at all.
His Shred/Channel roar has no impact on gameplay.
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Both Clown and Pig are as good as the player. Neither needs buffed. Their killrates are way too high already.
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The RBT stalls matches on a level that Clown's Bottles cannot, and the Pig also has her Crouch/Pounce ability to be on par with him when looping. The only edge Clown has is better addons, whereas Pig can get kills without using RBT addons due to how they work, which is why the Bottles need improvement.
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You have 7767 posts, you and I both know this community well enough that they would still complain no matter what the devs give players
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Because of how different the Killer Powers are, someone will be the weakest.
They buff Pig cause she's the weakest? Okay, then maybe Plague is now the weakest.
Buff Plague? Great, but now we got Trapper.
Etc. etc. etc.
Hey, now we're back to Pig being the weakest.
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That does not answer my question.
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sorry but im too lazy to google something you could do yourself, im going off instincts knowing this community that they would complain about anything
basically its the infinite monkey theorem but with complaining about anything and anything given enough time
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So the answer is no. Got it.
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wow you called someone out for making arguments based on instinct and experience rather than evidence that if existed would match the instinct and experience to a T
heres your internet clout
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I'd prefer some observable evidence over assumptions, yes.
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Pigs kill rate is high for a few reasons:
- She's easy to pick up and use by anyone
- She stomps noobs easily with traps and stealth
I wouldn't say pig is bad, id say she's the definition of "meh". She isn't up there though because she's good, it's because of the reasons I listed. Same goes with freddy, he is incredibly easy to pick up by anyone and has lots of good tools.
One thing is, you should never take if a killer is good or bad depending on these statistics which are flawed. You cant just say that pig doesn't deserve buffs because she has a high kill rate and also say that nurse doesn't. Pig isn't up there because she's good, it's because of other reasons, much similar to nurse who is lowest not because she is weak, but because of other reasons (high skill cap).
Edit: Also we appreciate that you interact with the forums :), rather have an open dev than a silent one.
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sounds like a boring way to live
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I can't speak to any other experiences other than my own, but when I start getting 3-4ks pretty with a decent amount of consistency in Red Ranks as Pig using a pure meme build while also rarely actually using her ambush (often going without ever using it for whole matches), I'm more inclined to question the skill level of the player base in general rather than whether or not my perception of Pig being weak might be wrong.
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The best part about Pig is her bear trap. Her crouching and ambush is pretty underwhelming, however. Combat straps should be baseline.
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I honestly don't know how you guys put up with the amount of babies on these forums. There's zero way I have the patience to deal with it all.
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So, according to this thread, all Killers are insanely good and the Devs should never adjust any of them.
Got it.
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They make a good point I mean clown is INSANE honestly he should probably be nerfed ..same with legion
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Then you need to stop using said data for any balancing decisions, because that right there is a massive red flag
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Ya dude! Oh, and Plague needs to be made harder to play. First thing is to TOTALLY make the arc of her ranged attack random! They gave her a default Corrupt Fountain recently, thinking they should reverse that. Oh hey, maybe make it require that the Fountain needs to be used TWICE before it's Corrupt! She's just too good right now and barely has to run around like a total maniac to apply any pressure.
Now what to do about how strong Demo is...
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lmao in casual everyone is very strong
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i agree, i think the low-tier killers are: Trapper, Wraith, Pig, Plague, Clown, Michael Myers
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hello 4 dead hards, she's pretty weak
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New players get destroyed by stealth killers
And the few who play her in high ranks are just good at killer in general
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Would it be possible to have charts with Killer stats with each chart representing a different rank? I know its not as accurate, considering how easy it is to rank up or down but I feel like Nurse stats in Purple-Red would more accurately reflect the Killer's potential as opposed to her abysmal placement in the overall charts.
Another question: We've had stats about pick rates and kill ratios on Killers, but could we ever see pick rates on Perks and/or Addons? Regardless of a person's skill as a Survivor or any Killer, I feel like those two mechanics have a large enough influence on the game that we could see interesting results.
Don't listen to him- without the Devs this game would be unplayable, literally non-existent. No one is perfect, let them do their thing and eventually we'll see a better game in the end.
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They did do that. They posted two charts, and one of them is Red Ranks.
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I am very glad to see a person who thinks sensibly, your text is absolute truth
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plague in insanely underrated. she’s b tier
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No it’s not lol because she is if we are talking about pig that is
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nurse is the weakest killer ever because STATS...
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Good to have official confirmation that other staff members, are I guess scared of being "called out" in the forums? You got people who pour thousands and thousands of hours into this game that they love, and prying any meaningful data out of BHVR's hands is both rare and even more rarely fruitful as it's often extremely narrow and comes with a big heaping helping of "well, don't use this data to extrapolate literally anything." I think people at this point might want more than just-for-fun stats.
I'm sure it's very exhausting, and plenty of people are much more rude than they need to be, but the idea that a significant portion of the developers might avoid their community here almost entirely because they don't want to "deal with it" is very disappointing.
To put it another way, some folks who spend thousands and thousands of hours (frankly the level of hours I've seen people put into this game was shocking when I first started getting into it, that's MMO-level hours for me) and sometimes even thousands of dollars into this game and then having their concerns and complaints get treated as a nuisance rather than as the point of view of someone very dedicated to the game is unfortunate. Again, not saying that every single person deserves all their questions answered and demands met simply because they play a lot, but as it stands the expected default response anyone making a thread has is deafening silence.
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I'd place her more C tier. She's an M1 Killer unless someone cleanses, and high ranks normally don't cleanse until the last gen is left/done. There needs to be more incentive to cleanse earlier.
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He's not atrocious, but one of his powers needs buffing. He's an all-rounder so he has options, but his lack of a particular strength hinders him.
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It depends what rank you play in red ranks maybe but from yellow to beginning of purple pig can crush noobs pretty badly but same with most stealth killers
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