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What tier will the Twins be?
As of the PTB they need some fime tuning. But when they are fined tuned what tier do you think they'll be I'd have to say C tier.
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The way they are with only simple bug fixes and clean ups? 100% E or even F tier. If they make drastic changes, like reduce the swap cooldown, add the ability to recall Victor on your own, make Victor's latch on actually punishing, then probably at minimum low B.
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Right now I’d say low B high C. With some changes I’d say they can be a low A high B tier killer depending on the changes made.
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Yh but... Do the devs want them to be A - High B tier??
They have the potential to have really good mindgames and stuff like that but... I try not to get my hopes up.
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They can really go either way. Being able to recall both twins, injure out of lockers with Victor, not have Victor stolen, and not having Victor crushed after successful attacks would put them high B/low A. That's a lot, but they need a lot. It takes them twice as long to perform basic tasks like hooking survivors.
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Well one of the devs confirmed they’re due some buffs (Mainly with the locker counter) so I don’t see why not, especially that the last two killers to me fit into the A - B tier category.
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I would honestly rate this killer lower than Clown.
Hitting people with Victor isn't easy and takes time if survivors are running around stuff. The moment he missed he can be easily crushed by survivors. Lockers are everywhere around the map and the biggest counter to him. And if someone decides to not get rid of Victor the killer has no power.
With that being said playing Victor is just a waste of time and has a high chance of failing completely due to many different reasons making The Twins just a basic M1 killer with no real pressure.
Using your power comes at high risk but it has no high reward compared to other killers like Nurse. Victor doesn't insta down people (which would justify the high risk of using him and all the counters). And also..if Victor is attached to a survivor that wants to leave the game, the moment you down the survivor he falls out and still escapes.
At the current state The Twins are in my opinion the weakest killer in the game.
I really like the idea though. The killer mechanic itself is very fun and complex but not fitting for the state that this game is currently in.
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The idea of their power is decent so hopefully B/C tier by the time they're out but currently they're the worst killers in the game in practice.
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Just a reminder that Blight was considered by many to be low tier with his PTB. We can't rank the Twins without the changes that will come after the PTB.
It's more important that the killer's design is good and not their actual strength for a PTB. The Twin's design is quite good except for one or two things like lockers and survivors keeping Victor.
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That's why I asked what will they be after the PTB.
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I may be missing something but how is the "latch on" not punishing currently? You can't do anything while he's on you except the bare minimum and you reveal the aura of nearby Survivors. You would turn it into a 3v1 if you leave him on.
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if they make it to live in their current state. F tier and much lower then Clown
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Currently? Like D tier, but I saw a Dev mention that something is being done about lockers + the survivor being able to have Victor all game so they are making changes at least. I'm hoping they'll be around B tier once changes are made.
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Because sure, you can't do gens, but you can still unhook survivors. You can still be chased. Having Victor on you is detrimental, sure, but if someone decides to keep Victor on, then the killer has no power. Baby hostaging is getting looked at (thank god), but as it is right now, it's really not that punishing.
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With every killer it comes down to personal preference. I’ve seen some people really struggling with The Twins and others absolutely loving them and saying they’re going to become their new main.
For example, if you told me I was going to be facing a really strong 4-man team, I’d want to be using Deathslinger. As he’s the killer I feel completely confident and powerful with. Other people might choose Spirit or Freddy, heck some would even choose Pig and Wraith. Different strokes and all that.
From the looks of things, I think I’m going to really enjoy The Twins and I can see me playing them a lot. But I guess we’ll see in December.
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If nothing is changed but bugfixes, then they will be the absolute worst killers in the entire game just because of the fact that it is detrimental in almost every situation to waste time trying to use Victor.
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B maximum.
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Blight's PTB was also an old build and many of the issues he had on the ptb were already fixed for release. If PTB Blight was release Blight he would be awful.
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But have the devs came out to say that it's the same situation yet? Honest question
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A dev earlier today said they were looking at fixing the two issues of lockers because hard counters to victor and survivors just hanging onto victor instead of getting him off.
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Ok... Thanks
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Ah. I missed the "can still unhook survivors" thing. Yeah, wow, good thing they are looking at that.
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Worst killer in the game. No mobility, no pressure, and no real threat to survivors. Neat concept, but not enough to make me buy.
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Low Tier at Base, Mid Tier with good addons.
Power has to much risk for the reward it offers.
Perks look interesting though.
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For competitive play, I’d have to say twins “as is” would not be a great pick. Seeing as this is predominantly a casual game, twins are probably one of the most interesting killers to play though. Too soon to place a tier on twins considering there will be major changes if comments above mine are accurate. Preventing baby kidnapping, closets besting victor, and survivors leaving the game with him on their back (crawling out), I think twins might end up being more “capable” than given credit for.
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If she launched as is now, just cleaned up bugs? F for sure.
Watching Streamers play as them is painful and watching Survivor mains play against them is funny for a little bit, then just sad.
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I propose that (and I havent played much of the ptb, so correct me if I'm wrong) that victor should put surfs in the dying state if they are on a surv for too long. Also victor should have the power to open lockers, which is obvious to counter the locker thing.
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They will B tier. Twin's power allows the killer to be able to traverse the map quickly, track survivors, and ignore looping. Those 3 aspects are requried for a Killer to get above C tier. It's not A or S tier because how easy it is to counter, and avoid the Killer's power.
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Right now on PTB if faced with actually good survivors probably like C tier.
Once all the things wrong with them get adressed possibly even A tier but probably slightly more probable is high B tier imo.
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They're tier "N" for "Next power-gauge laughing stock, please."
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Too early to say for sure but I'd say F- tier would be accurate.
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Right now? Absolutely the lowest tier killer by a pretty wide margin. I hope they can make the changes needed for them to not be bottom tier, but at this rate I think it'd require new assets and animations. I mean, the locker problem is not a simple fix for Victor.
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Idk, maybe low-mid tier? People keep saying they can hold the baby hostage but that person can't do gens so it's a 3v1 if they do that. All an M1 killer needs to be a monster is enduring and bamboozle.
I doubt it will be too hard to ambush someone with the baby at a generator. I don't think he has a terror radius correct?
I think people who are attempting to use him mid-chase are wrong for many reasons: The transition period, the difficulty of hitting a survivor attempting to juke, the punishment of a missed attack, the distance they will still be gaining on the main killer, and the waste of the killer instinct.
He is probably best used like a ward, or to go to generators that survivors are confirmed to be working at through discordance / surveillance / etc.
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I LOVE their power but as of right now I would say they are Low B tier. Lockers are a huge pain for them and I feel like Victor needs a few buffs.
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I genuinely think they'll be the worst killer in the game.
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Power Wise? Mid.
Fun Wise? High.
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You cannot say based upon not knowing how they will change things. Blight was pretty clearly (to me atleast) a killer with potential on PTB, but sucked on PTB just due to mechanics. Then he got his changes, and is comfortably A tier and probably top 5 to me (something I said since d1 of release). Twins again is a killer with potential, with some obvious downsides the devs have stated will be addressed. If they go full fledged and buff Victor when he's incapacitating a surv, allowing you to recall Victor at will, reducing the Dormant transition or slowdown, I could see this killer being around top 10. Maybe I'm wrong and they could go higher, but the biggest drawback will be the fact that no matter what Charlotte is a basic M1 killer, and it is so difficult to get two hits (if the surv always leaves the loop when you switch, even if Victor is on you, two hits will take forever - aswell as picking up survs being so bad) - My general playstyle is actually playing aggressively, hardslugging, philosophy of trying to get everybody injured, so maybe this killer will suit me. It will be hard though, especially as Victor doesn't present infectious as an option
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BHVR balancing Tier.
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like on par with demo and plague?
what is D tier? like clown in terms of strength?
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The character design should be Victor cause problems on healthy Survivors, then Charlotte finish them. Currently you're kind of need Charlotte to injure them then Victor pouch finish them off. If not you lost Victor. The play style goes opposite with the design.
For me, they should be like this
- Charlotte M1 for basic attack, M2 to unbind Victor or call Victor back. Press ability button to change control to Victor. If you unbind Victor while controlling Charlotte, Victor will auto run to the nearest Survivor and cause Killer instinct for Charlotte.
- Victor M2 to pouch. Press ability button to change control to Charlotte. If you're controlling Victor, Charlotte will move at 50% speed following you (Victor) and attack any survivor nearby.
Victor does not do any damage on Survivor. Victor pouch cause hindered, incapability, reveal the survivor aura all the time. Charlotte hit Survivor with Victor on them will drop Victor and continue follow Survivors.
Survivor kick/stun Victor will cause fainted, Charlotte has to come pick him up and start a 20sec recharge power.
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Currently they're NOT coordinate killers, they are a tag team.
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whatever tier plague is in, a really cool killer not a bad killer. but a killer where survivors can literally hostage or ignore your power for 99% of the game.
I want them to be good, but they'll just endup being another plague situation where no one plays them.
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I have seen absolutely crazy play with this killer. With high skill, and given that victor can like, open lockers and if you can recall him at will, I would probably give them high B tier with the proper addons and fixes.
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I think it’s pretty impossible to tell how good or bad the live release version of the Twins will be since the devs have already confirmed they are actively working on changes to how lockers work against Victor and what happens with survivors choosing to ignore Victor being in their head, two of the biggest issues with the PTB version. (And that’s just the changes they mentioned, it’s entirely possible they’re also tweaking other things as well.) On top of which the way the Twins play is so unique compared to all the other killers there’s not even any consensus on what strategies are the most effective yet for the PTB version let alone the version we’ll ultimately get on live.
So ... 🤷♂️
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