Killers That Instantly Tunnel Because There's No Obsession...

The examples you laid involve no human interaction and that's where your argument falls flat. Playing like a jerk =/= from trying to win even in dbd. Sandbagging for example is game-losing jerk move and camping is not necessarily a jerk move, ex: killer in the ECG protecting his kill, more than one hooked in the basement. But doing it in the start of the game against a competent team will lead to the loss of key gens. There is more to this game than securing a kill 4 minutes into the match only for 3 ppl escape.

Because unfortunately the best thing a killer can/should do is get someone out the game asap. That's the real flaw in the game design if you have a problem with tunneling, the game is designed in a way where that's what they want killers to do.

Also, seeing as survivors see no problem tunneling gens to 100%, I don't think its fair to ask the other side not to do the same for their objective. If you want killers to stop tunneling kills than we need survivors to stop doing gens so fast as well. Not going to happen.

I just hate playing against it as killer, since it's used against me offensively more often that it's used defensively and eating even a single DS can be devastating. I don't like it enough as killer that I choose not to use it as survivor.

Please try to avoid arguments from entitlement. "You can't fix a problem survivors are having without fixing a different, unrelated problem killers are having" is just perpetuating the tribalism on this forum.

I 100% agree with your proposed change to DS. That should not be done to compensate for killers no longer being able to tunnel with reckless abandon in matches with no obsession, though. That should be done because DS is overpowered. It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's a good thing for killers to have free reign to tunnel in matches with no obsession.

Baiting and diving into lockers is a common example, yeah. You'll often see survivors immediately run off to work on key generators after getting unhooked, then try to bait the killer into a chase if they approach, and then jump right into a locker if the killer takes the bait.

You'll see survivors go for insanely unsafe saves without BT because they know the survivor on the hook also has DS and Unbreakable. Even if the save fails it's not likely the killer is going to babysit the slug for 60 seconds. You'll also see the same situation in reverse too, like when a survivor with DS/UB that was already fully healed can pretty much make any hook save they'd like. You'll see people try to bait the killer into chasing them to a hook and grabbing them to make DS proc, so you have to look out for that as a killer.

When playing as an instadown killer, I've straight up seen freshly unhooked people with DS/UB body block for healthy teammates because they know that there is no chance of them getting hooked unless the killer wants to babysit the slug for like 45 seconds.

I make an effort not to tunnel as killer, so these sorts of cases are ones I constantly have against people with DS. When people aren't being tunneled, DS all of a sudden becomes a get out of jail free card to play as aggressive as you'd like for a minute (especially when paired with UB).

I'm not the most experienced at this but learned watching someone play both sides.

Sometimes, from my pov you no matter what you do you seem to only find (respectfully) that guy). I've tried to hook someone and then opposite side of the map or just get off the hook site. Find someone, then he runs me to the hooked survivor. Literally taking them off as I'm right there.

Not saying this is you or others but its like....well what am I supposed to do? I've left many people fresh off the hook lying there hopefully someone gets y'all up but I'm not gonna pass it up.

Sucks to get set up. At the same time....how can I not take what's been given. Bad teammates ?

There should be an obsession in each match.

Would make those obsession challenges as killer a lot easier too.

I would only agree with that in certain situations. Most of the time, if you eat a DS, it is terrible for you as the killer. You're gifting the survivor a free health state, you'd need like 20 seconds to catch them again if they just hold W away and don't loop you, and throughout this time everyone else can be doing gens. If you slug that survivor, you apply pressure and pull someone off a gen to go for the save. That's a usually the better play.

Only one map lol, on reworked maps is twice less pallets

Killers tunnel a lot because they do not get punished for it enough.

I've had many matches where the killer just literally sits by the hook and waits for the survivor to die, and in every match they get at least 2 kills before the exit gates are opened and the other two escape.

How many bloodpoints do they get from that? Oh nothing much, just like 20k+ whereas the SECOND camped survivor barely pass 12k.

How can you as a survivor who is just trying to get some BPs not be incentivized to just play tunnel killer when you see that every tunneling killer is making such exorbitant amounts of BPs and get at least a pip when all they do is hook two survivors and camp them to death? No stress, nothing complicated. And when you try to play killer normally you barely gain any extra BP, 23-27k, unless you do perfectly.

Either killers need to have their BP gain for tunneling and camping SEVERELY handicapped or they will never have a reason to not tunnel, and I don't know about you but a steady ~20k BP per match sounds kinda nice to me. Not fun, but the devs have made it a no brainer if I just want to farm consistent BPs.

Eating a DS early is even worse than eating one late; if you do it early on, all four survivors are probably still in the game, meaning that eating a DS from one survivor means there are three other survivors doing gens. If you can't build pressure in the early game the gens fly and you lose.

I'm definitely not assuming that. I'm just not assuming that the killer is going to be systematically weaker than the survivors they're facing, which is the only way your point makes sense. Your comment was saying that survivors that can't loop a killer indefinitely are bad at looping, which is not the case, and that's what I was replying to. This should only happen if a baby killer gets matched with an experienced survivor. Bad matchmaking like that will happen, but if the matchmaking isn't lopsided and a survivor can't run the killer for five gens that of course doesn't mean the survivor is bad at looping. That's just the game working as intended.