"Since then we have made great strides in identifying these loops, and tweaking them-"

Like I said, I hate them and I agree - god loops shouldn't exist. It boggles my mind that they added them back, and continue to for the sake of who knows why, but the action is so tiny that I just don't see a point in complaining. I complained when they first started adding them into reworked maps, and it didn't do a thing. The Dev's clearly are pushing this, and when it comes to BHVR they barely ever change their minds.

2 seconds to break them (usually there is 1 breakable wall in the whole map that needs to be broken). Once they are broken those loops are worthless and they also removed some pallets around them. If the killer spawns near them that time is completely irrelevant.

And even with bloodlust what are you gonna do around them without breaking them?

Just ignore those loops.

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They also removed pallets around those windows so now instead of wasting 5 secs for each pallet (best case scenario) you are just gonna waste 2,6 seconds and then it's worthless.

In my opinion from survivor pov i'd prefer having the pallets back because as i said and everyone is saying once that wall is broken you won't be able to use them anymore, so if they're gonna remove the walls and give us back the pallets i will be really happy.

With that logic shack is an infinite once the pallet is down if you don't break it.

These "god loops" are the equivalent to a survivor insta throwing a pallet, except even worse as you can break it before the survivors gets there.

The old actual god loops had no counter outside of leaving them or going through the whole thing and losing instantly. They were actual safe havens. these ones you break the wall,you go back to pressuring gens and laugh as everybody that goes to them is almost certainly getting hit

Calling these loops that outright become death zones after a 2 seconds animation god loops is a joke. honestly makes me think you never experienced the old god loops.

They never should have existed in the first place. When they were first removed, I'm pretty sure everyone thought they were good changes - because they were. Plenty of people who play this game for a living have pointed out how bad they are in their current design. Two seconds is a ton for a killer. Killer's times are four times worth as much a survivor's team, and 2 seconds is easily enough to get to another loop. In a game like this, where every single second counts, 2 seconds could easily mean a loss.

You're fine to have your opinion, but the simple fact of the matter is I'm just not gonna agree with you here. I, and plenty other people, think they are incredibly poorly implemented. They could have been interesting, but they're only used to introduce god loops again. More of them need to be like in Badham - where the killer shuts down a loop from the get go but also severely cuts down their own escapes in the building. Again, you can have your opinion - I don't care. I'm not gonna argue about this because it's clear we disagree.

Funny how there's people telling you to just break the doors. A lot of the time killers don't have the opportunity or time to walk to a breakable door to remove it before getting into a chase.

Imagine chasing a survivor to an area you haven't been to yet. It would take too much time to down them in the loop's current state, so you're forced to break the door to weaken the loop. This buys the survivor time to run away, most likely to another loop, which costs more time.

You can't really walk around and break a bunch of doors on the map before starting any chases. That's the issue.

so, pretty sure its already been mentioned, but kicking a breakable wall is more than 2 seconds wasted. You have to either sacrifice setup time/finding the survivor and do it pre-emptively (thus sacrificing gen pressure in the time it takes to walk over to the door, kick it, then leave the area) or you have to stop chasing, route to the door, break the door, then resume chasing after the survivor who gained distance that whole time.

since the survivor movement speed reference is 4.0m/s, ignoring lunge/other loops/windows and so on, it takes about 6 seconds to close the gap and about 10 seconds for 4.4m/s killers. Obviously there are other variables that can come into play for both sides, (survivor with an exhaustion perk ready, killer power, nearby loop, etc) but this is a baseline amount of time to average in addition to the time for the door kicking animation and recovery. If they're running away from the loop into a dead zone, yeah, it won't matter as much. But when they get lucky enough to have that right into a jungle gym into a T/L....

Point is, you can't say "its just 2 seconds" when they only way thats possibly accurate is if they stand on the other side of the door waiting for you to break it.

The midwitch one is actually a good example of bad implimentation. While the trap you mentioned is nice and can catch people once or twice, you have to sacrifice a LOT of map mobility to do it. This isn't a game like L4D where there are killer only ways to change floors and otherwise traverse the map, you straight up only have the staircases if you use that. Any form of comms between survivors can make it pretty much impossible to pressure between both floors because of stuff like that.

Now, if it were like tha game where there were multiple, more evenly distributed ways to change floors? it would be fine and maybe even great. But removing 1/3rd of your map mobility potential for a chance at a "gotcha" moment....