Will keep giving up on first hook if you arent doing anything.

I completely agree with you.

Solo que is an absolute nightmare to play. Almost every single game I'll go on a big chase and usually I'm lucky to see one gen pop. Solos seem to have an obsession with self caring against sloppy too, which is probably the most frustrating thing to watch.

That's what happens when you allow bad players to rank up so fast.

Bad survivors not playing as well as you would want them to is not the same as trolling/throwing the game on purpose because you dont like them.

Rank reset used to put EVERYONE back to lvl 20 once upon a time.

That made everyone 'equal'

yanno, the equal playing field that is pairing a red rank killer with a true brown rank.

Fun times. Not that MMR and such are 'better' now.

They had to make it so red ranks could not return to brown ranks by only lowering levels a certain amount. And thats the 'ranking' we have today.

Well with the way he described it, they aren't doing gens to begin with. Him killing himself really only has an impact on the gens getting done. If they're all doing nothing to begin with, I doubt they're very concerned about getting everyone out via exit gate. He isn't really ruining their fun because the only thing killing himself does is make it harder for them to win, but in the scenario he described it doesn't seem like they're too concerned about that to begin with.

With what he described, the killer got a good chase and a win, while the survivors clearly were content with themselves doing whatever they were off doing. I don't see how he's really ruining anyones fun.

People get to red ranks by playing a stealth game. They crouch walk, hide, and make a beeline for a bush when the killer is near. They are also very altruistic. The problem is... they can't loop. If you get 3 or 4 of them in a game, it is going to be a disaster. They have heavily relied on someone else to do the hard part; keep the killer occupied.

People need to be encouraged to find more balance in their game play. Learn, through hours of failure, how to run the killer.... except they will probably lose that precious rank.

This is such a blanket statement on a really niche amount of players.

I understand you're frustrated that people aren't doing objectives or getting you off hook at an optimal time/before 2nd phase but you really need to understand that there are five perspectives in every match. Four of those perspectives are not yours, and your perspective doesn't have any authority or meaning above any of the other four. They're all doing whatever they want or need to do in order to play the game they think is the right way to play.

Sorry if you had a teammate who crouched in circles in the corner of a map. Move on and play the next game.

This just destroys morale, and hurts you in the long run as people see it as selfish and will only perpetuate their own selfish behavior. Must lead by example.

Edit: what you're describing happens to me all of the time, and its hard to stop myself from giving up, but I try not to. One thing to keep in mind, too, is that sometimes matches that seem not in your favor can easily turn to be in your favor. Some matches I thought would pan out to be totally against me turned into some of the most interesting and fun matches I've had. Like, a guy leading leatherface to me just after initiating his chainsaw, caught me off guard, downed me. I was left on hook for multiple hook states. In the end of the trial, I was the one juking leatherface into the ground while also stopping to pick up downed comrades, and using dead hard to dodge the killer at the last second.

Believe it or not, I've played with claudettes that use bright clothing and don't just urban evade all map.

You're forgetting part of the problem is the Tome. The reason you see three people running towards you right now when you have Kindred is that they want their seven heals for that challenge. The Tome has completely destroyed survivor gameplay as a solo queuer. I quit playing for months because of it after I finished the first one, and I just came back to see if the game was any more tolerable.

In solo queue you shouldn't play the support role, you should be playing the role you like the best. Kindred is a ridiculously powerful perk for solo survivors, I'd say it's leagues better than Spine Chill in most scenarios and unfortunately it's most useful part is taken away when someone plays Scratched Mirror Myers. It's usefulness to the rest of the group isn't even a factor when I bring it, it's more a bonus. I'd still use the perk if it didn't give vision to everyone else while I was hooked.

Team perks are for team games, games where you play with friends over comms. In a solo game you play for yourself and maybe grab the lone Dweet or Sailor Steve if it's safe, but other than that they're there as fodder. That's not your outward mindset but deep down we all play like that in solo. Hell I even do that when I'm playing the healer, I wanna heal your sorry butt so you can keep being chased, I can't finish these gens if you immediately go down again!

I'm sure my dry humor isn't translating well across text, but honestly you should be playing to your strengths, not to keep three people alive. Otherwise you're always going to be picked off and you're always going to be annoyed because you've(at least from what I'm reading) built yourself up as the perfect sacrifice. Save the funky team perks you see YouTubers do for the times when you can play with a few friends.

this topic is why "killer over performance" statistics are pointless, btw.

1v3's aren't the same as 1v4s, and "dying on first hook" counts as a kill while "disconnecting" gets filtered out of stats. Ironically disconnect penalty avoiding screws up stat reporting simultaneously.

While I agree that urban evading claudettes are a plague on the game, if I have kindred and would rather work on a gen than brush up against a camping killer, I'm not going to be particularly thrilled with someone who kills themselves on first hook and rewards said killer rather than make them lose gens for their trouble.

Well, there is only one piece of data we have, and it is that OP is hooked early on in the game while all of his teammates are apparently alive and just running around.. OP is ruining their fun, he is making their game WAY harder by giving up early

Let's talk about adapting for a sec.. even the top boxers in the world can lose the early rounds.. then they learn the opponent they are up against (the killer/survivor) how they fight, how they move, and THEN they come alive and take over and win the fight. With the OP just giving up early once he decides he can read everyone's minds, he is giving no room for skilled/adaptive high ranked people that can actually learn and adjust to their opponent.. Surely we have all had games where you did bad early and then the player underestimates you massively and they lose the game because they ever chase you all game thinking you are an easy kill or you kill them all because they thought you were a noob killer and then you prove them way wrong.

Someone just giving up early on a hook is just the lamest form of 'I quit' IMO, you are buying your team no time, giving them no chances, there is this expectation from minute 1 and if anyones not living up to it RIP game here i go, suicide on the hook. How do we know that OP just doesn't suicide on hook even when his teammates have been repairing gens RIGHT UNTIL he was hooked and if he didn't get hooked the gens would still be going and then are trying to help. A key part of this conversation is that OP is on the hook that is all we know. I saw someone earlier give up on a hook on their first hook when we were down to 2 gens and they were the only one to die.. they were timing out but someone was coming..

That sounds rough, I hate when stuff like that happens, it makes it almost impossible to win, like if you still had the full team you could've easily won.

One cannot be red rank, if doing nothing.

It takes the fun out of the game for everyone. Survivors are then at a disadvantage and then the killer has less of a challenge. Like let's accept that we will have games like this but not every game will be though. Take the good with the bad. Still should do what you can until you've been sacrificed. Let's stop making the game more toxic.

Well if they're doing absolutely nothing, it probably means they aren't too concerned with the winning aspect as much as they are the evading.

He described it as him going on a big chase and them doing absolutely nothing. There is literally no bigger chance he can give them to win and they squander it. I don't blame him for being extremely frustrated in that scenario. When I go on a 4 minute chase, and see 3 claudettes hiding in the corner of the map with 5 gens left, I'm not giving them anymore chances to "adapt". They clearly weren't too concerned with my fun hiding and doing nothing, were they?

Also, a boxing analogy doesn't work here whatsoever. I get what you're trying to say, but you're comparing a sport that is dependent on your individual ability to a game that is dependent on your team. It doesn't matter how much he adapts throughout the course of the match if his other 3 teammates don't either.