Results of My 23 Survivor Games and 16 Killer Games During No Bloodlust

Everyone wants to improve but it has to be within reason. What I have seen yesterday isn't fun for killers at all. You can't expect someone to endure countless games that make them feel bad. I play more killer then survivor and have gone through enough bad games before I became better. The difference is that I had bloodlust help carry me through my early days getting some kills here and there making me have fun and continue playing. Getting continuously stomped ain't fun. We need to consider newer players into this, they do rely on bloodlust. A good killer doesn't rely on bloodlust and will never hit bloodlust beyond tier 1 anyway, if they hit bloodlust at all. The killers in higher ranks that rely on bloodlust to much will always spend to much time in chase making them lose to much gens they will realise this and are forced to adapt if they want to win more consistent. But yes we do still need bloodlust in my opinion.

True that you will derank eventually. I just feel that the skill threshold will become to big since it does take quite some time to learn basic killer mechanics. Not even mentioning a killer's power. And before you know how to do things properly like mindgaming, predict survivors movement and capitalizing on survivor mistakes you will be playing hundredths of hours. Killers will rank up vs new/bad not looping correctly survivors and then derank vs survivors who know a little bit about looping. This will become frustrating since you notice you don't do good as killer when you rank up. If this takes to much time a player will simply stop since there is no fun. I'm fine with a bit higher escape rate but what I got yesterday was a large change to my escape rate and that simply isn't healthy for any game. I'm curious if bhvr will share some of their results and what they will do with bloodlust, I do feel it needs change since getting bloodlusted without skill isn't fun either.

To be fair you can't know both ways (and matchmaking is almost always screwed, unless you think it is was perfect before the weekend). You are just assuming as such because it is your point of view. He is playing a lot of matches, assuming every match is against inexperienced killers is a bit far fetched. Many experienced killers said plenty of times they are playing as if nothing was happening. If that indeed is true and those saying left and right they are so good killers, there should be enough of them playing to get a good sample.

I dont consider myself a good killer and I was playing yesterday. It didn't feel that different when I played eventually against purple ranks mixed in red ranks, they get destroyed. But I can't really say I got many matches to know. From the ones I played, most of them I got 1 k or 0 k, either way with Brutal killer as result of most of them because I got many hooks (thats on red ranks only). One of them was 2k and another 3k. None of them on red ranks were 4k. It is easier to know things about the matches if they are recorded for sure. But assuming they are this and that...

Why aren't you getting complete potatoes? Yesterday was almost unbearable for me with the stupid crap I saw in red ranks.

Solo Q makes me want to quit every time, I hate survivor challenges but gotta do them cause Battle pass and FOMO.

Sure is interesting how most people that comment on forums have a perfect score on both ends, survivor and killer, but most of the population in the game is not like that. Not saying you are lying, but surely a lot of people seem to be lying on forums if you follow that logic.

I wished people were a tad more honest and little more humble with their own self image, but that seems to be asking too much on forums, since people just want to win an argument not to present things to discuss.

If you are that kind of person you would have to agree that most players won't be like that and not necessarily the game is ballanced around that as well. Also, that many people probably are faking their so called skill when talking about this subject.

I mean, don’t take my word for it. People lie on the internet all the time so it’s smart to be skeptical. The survivor matches I played were in a 3 or 4 man (no comms but we all know how to play and have plenty of hours) and a few of my killer matches were against rainbow lobbies. I did get a 2k as Hag and a 0k as Pig, and had at least some matches where I died so I’m not saying I had a perfect score, just really good. But then I have probably 3000 hours in this game.

There’s no way for me to prove it outside of streaming, which I’m not gonna do, so you’re free to disbelieve me.

But my point wasn’t anything to do with balance. Actually my point was that anecdotal evidence is a bad basis for balance discussions because so many things skew it. That’s why the devs are testing this out, so they can get something more reliable than just anecdotes.

I had a red rank teammate recently that was running both Sprint Burst and Balanced Landing. Explain to me how that person ended up in red ranks, lmao.

Survivor main and meghead here! I haven't seen much of a difference to be honest, except for more tunneling and a bit of camping, which isn't rare but still not too common. I have had team wipe outs and pretty intense chases, but bloodlust being gone seems to make a very small difference. I also play killer, and I genuinely forgot BL was a thing until the patch came out talking about the test lol!

Conversely I played survivor and I usually play killer. In 14 matches I died 4 times. Usually I die much more than this, specially because I lost rank for not touching survivor for a long time and solo queues tend to have a lower survival rate for me if playing with brown or green ranks.

As for the numbers:

14 Matches.

Hooks/ Escapes/ (Killer Rank) -my rank-

2H/4E/ (17) 11; 0H/4E/ (14 - DC) 11; 4H/4E (14)11; 0H/4E (14-DC) 11; 8H/1 E (12 Nurse, 1 suicide) 10; 7H/3E (13) 10; 3H/3E (15) 10;

10H /0E (14) 10; 3H/4E (14) 9; 12H/0E (10 - Freddy, best match) 9 ; 6H/ 4E (gave hatch to last Rank12 Spirit) 9; 3H/4E (14) 9; 7H/4E (4)8;

4H/0E (13 Camping Hag with Ebony) 8.

From those there are 2 DCs that the killer gave up because he thought he couldnt win, but I still counted, same way as in two of them a person suicided on hook (only put one there, dont remember which doctor it was that another person commited suicide on hook). The best match was against Freddy that hooked everyone 3 times without camping or tunneling, at least on my opinion. Personally I never ranked up so fast by solo queue. For other people with more experience in survivor certainly this is a piece of cake, but my personal experience is that it became much more simple to hold killer for a long period of time.

One of the matches I held an Oni for pratically the entire match and another that we died against Doctor I held him for something around a minute (preschool) and the team mate kept over the hatch without doing the generator.

Will post a link to public screenshots in the case of the doubters.

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198011550960/screenshots/

As it is the game still didnt change, its just a test. But they will probably remove Bloodlust for sure. As for playing killer on lower ranks if you have a little experience in the game, even as survivor it won't be that difficult. I would say it only gets difficult around purple to red ranks if the person doesn't have much experience and red ranks if he has.

But usually for people just beginning in the game on both sides it is very difficult, specially with the current matchmaking that puts beginner killers against more experienced players (and also because their rank system only demonstrates if the person is playing for a long period of time, like a straight week or month, not necessarily skill). People just dismiss it either because they don't have enough empathy or memory.

Also, something people dont usually notice is that players on different regions seem to have much different experiences from what I gather watching from EU, Asia, North America and South America (the one I play). So people come right in the jugular saying this and that when actually we need to put forward our experiences to compare, not to attest any case as factual statistic. Our experiences are limited.

One thing I'm noticing in my chases is that many killers do not understand positioning at all, and the lack of bloodlust is exposing that. Only had time for two survivor games.

A Ghostface chased me for 3 gens and ragequit on Blood Lodge because I was making a ridiculous amount of distance on every pallet break. 3 gens, 3 pallets used. He kept breaking the pallets with me towards the inside of the map. Big no no.

A Doctor got 4 outed in the second game on Lery's. Maps like that are really problematic without bloodlust as I could W for an absurd amount of time before having to actually play a tile.

funny thing is, i lost almost all of my games yesterday as survivor, and more than two people per match didn't make it out. Some of the killers were prrtty damn good, some of them really bad considering most of them were red/purple, but to be honest i haven't touched dbd for about two weeks and before that i wasn't playing too much either so even tho there were some big brain plays i was mostly just ######### up and my teammates weren't helping lmao. Anyway i don't think there was any visible difference for me, and imo bloodlust mainly matters in lower ranks, where people rely on it.

1st everyone could make up datas like this just to prove their point. Even more when they aren't backed up with screenshots that show ranks, perks, playtime, etc.

23 games are really too few to draw any conclusion and 1 player experience in a 40k players community means as much as 1 drop into the ocean

Not just basing it off of two games. General experience overall. The lack of bloodlust is just highlighting the issue. I played plenty of killer over the weekend and definitely felt it at times on M1 killers when I didn't have an angle to cut off a survivor at a strong main building loop.

I think it's actually more of a realization that you're not as good as you think you are, maybe your rank or mmr has been inadvertently boosted because of your reliance on bloodlust, whether it's conscious or not.

Yes this applies to everyone else complaining about high rank games being very bad. I played several games yesterday as survivor and didn't notice any real difference in how much I died vs how often I escaped. It's always situational, depends on the day, depends on my luck, depends on who I'm facing.

My point is that there are so many variables that affect how well you do in a game, there's no possible way that straight kills/escapes markers could ever truly give any indication of change aside from anecdotal experience.

Survivors are the ones that suck man I’m in red ranks in both sides and killers smack survivors almost every single game. Your data sucks lol