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Tunnelling Killers.
I don't know why but I'm seeing them more and more recently, just had a P3 Nurse tunnel me off hook till I was dead and even with DS, there was nothing I could do.
Dead in 2 minutes, what a fun match.
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It usually has to do with the garbage matchmaking system that's currently in place. It tends to roll in rank 10s and above when your in the red ranks and they usually end up tunneling. I've also noticed that they're usually console players, not sure if that has anything to do with it.
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I tunnel Im rank 4 I just cant play fair enough to go after every other person with the current gen speed and unbalance of survivor strength. I'll kill someone right away to remove them from the game to make it even
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No?
Unless you're against sweaty survivors, which is not even a common thing that people on this forum tend to argue, you're perfectly capable of getting a 2-4K by hooking everybody and not resorting to tunnelling.
You're just bad at the killer role if the only way you can win is by tunnelling.
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There are a lot of "reasons" a player may tunnel someone right out the match.
What you brought, what you're wearing, how their day is going... etc.
Just gotta keep your chin up and try a different perspective. Maybe the killer is more afraid of you, even tho he's armed.
Maybe it was his tactical choice to eliminate early.
Regardless of the killers reasons, by not letting it get under your skin not only is he failing to troll, it is also more healthy for you.
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"You're just bad at the killer role if the only way you can win is by tunnelling."
so what? DBD isnt my job if i wanna tunnel or camp as trapper then its perfectly fine too,
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Sure, no one is stopping you. But playing in a way that sucks the fun out of the other side and makes playing absolutely miserable just perpetuates toxicity and people from not playing the game anymore.
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yes and no,
yes you can win without tunneling, no you can't win without tunneling without high levels of skill on a good killer, a ton of slowdown perks, or some mix of the two
if someone can only win with tunneling that's because they are lacking in one of the categories and the fastest and easiest way to secure a win is tunneling, sorry its just that good of an alternative
no you aren't bad if you can only ever win by tunneling because some killers just don't have the strength to always win without such luxuries even with a ton of slowdown perks, its you who is entitled for thinking they can't ever tunnel to hedge their bets
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It's entitled to want to be able to play the game without being removed in under 2 minutes?
Yikes, guess I'm not allowed to have fun.
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its entitled to think you are owed that without being good enough at the game to earn it or fight back against it
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How do you fight back against a good nurse?
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not dying is a start
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Lmao this man is stating facts
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Being unpredictable in your movement helps. Sprint bursting in an open direction also.
Trying harder to not get found in the first place than you would vs Mikey or the Trapper.
Just count how many Survivors you see run straight for the nearest loop and begin the rinse/repeat immediately against a nurse.
Also, most tunneling in this game is basically the unhooked survivor immediately vaulting into the killer's face or trying to hide in a blade of grass 2 feet from the hook while their ninja rescuer smoke bombs off into the night. (Not your case, apparently, as you said tunneled off the hook, and I'm going to assume you mean she came back during the unhook and went straight for you... In which case, your best way of surviving is having non-terrible temates who will intercept a hit for you).
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Rushing gens and hiding are the only 2 things you can do against a good Nurse. Dead hard might let you dodge 1 hit the entire match because the Nurse will bait it out the next time with her first blink. If you dead hard, she will readjust with the 2nd blink and hit you. If you don't, she will just hit you anyway because at that point dead hard will probably fail on these garbage servers so it may as well be a hit.
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You can't win them all. Simple as that, really. It certainly sucks to be tunneled but at times it's the best move the killer can make if they want to win.
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You forgot one element of winning as Killer- Luck.
Sometimes, the Entity just doesn't feel like giving you anything in your favor, so you gotta just suck it up, buttercup.
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You're just bad at the killer role if the only way you can win is by tunnelling.
I'm not even going to challenge that assertion, but do people who are bad at the game not have a right to play it?
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You should know if you are bad at the game you should never play this game that just how it is in the eye of the survivor
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Try Sprint Burst instead of DS. Killers never tunnel off hook survivor who run away this fast, so they focus on rescuer. I don't run DS and killers never tunnel me.
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The thing is, you are a sample size of one. The experience of players in the forums might differ. I, for example, play vs sweaty swfs quite regular, so for me it is a problem, and yes, i start tunneling then.
Why do you think you are capable of telling people how common things are to them that they experience and you don´t?
On a funny side note: When i was a green rank killer, i was matched vs red rank swf all the time. Once i hit red ranks, i am paired against green rank solo survivors. It might be my personal experience and not reflect all of matchmaking, but i don´t claim it does. It is just my personal experience.
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Maybe you can't pressure gens because you're chasing one person all match. Just a thought.
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It's the 'only a 3-4k is skill' mentality pushed by some big streamers and other vocal people in the community.
They will make all sort of excuses for tunneling (*casually points at several posts above*) when all it is in the end is just 'if I don't get at least x kills in, i failed'.
It's usually the type of player who will gleefully stomp a team of new players and then mock them for being new.
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Heh; this thread is funny. So many threads and so much salt. I get accused of tunneling and camping even when I give every Survivor three hooks and never take the same person in a row. Let's just say I have little faith in the "perception" Survivors have (I also play Survivor). It always feels like you are being camped or tunneled unfairly. It doesn't mean you are in fact.
For my own part, I just take the next person who pops in front of me. It isn't by design or intent. It isn't personal.
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You fight a good nurse by adapting. Don't try to loop her. I see too many people treat her like an M1 killer. Instead of looping something keep running. The main issue is the block line of sight. Nurse has to blink to catch you because her movement is slower than yours. With the CD now she even has to blink twice, recharge and blink again to be close enough to land a hit. Every extra blink or missed swing adds more time for her to recover. If you force the Nurse to guess where your going then your doing well. A common thing survivors do to my Nurse is loop the outside of the killer shack. They constantly try to stay just around a corner. They either keep running or when they hear a blink they turn around. I can either blink through the wall to where I think they are going or I can blink forward to catch them trying to turn around. You can waste a Nurse's time by constantly making them guess. No it's not 100% effective but no method is suppose to be. If the killer spots you they are going to down you. It's a question of when. If you wasted enough of the killer's time for your friends to complete gens then you did well. Even if the Nurse gets salty and face camps you to death. You still won.
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I think the "entitlement" described here is the expectation that another player will take responsibility for your fun.
Yeah it sucks to be taken out of the game early and survivor queues kind of blow. But its not outside of the game mechanics to do it and can be a huge amount of pressure to take the game down to 3 on 1 rather than 4 if you can do it quickly.
To attack another player and call them a bad killer because they apply this mechanic well, is just unproductive and another example of game toxicity.
You are allowed to have fun, but you have to have realistic expectations of what can and does happen in this game.
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Unfortunately people around here don't care. Tunnelers won't stop tunneling and if you so much as think about complaining be ready to get bombarded with the 'entitlement' argument or get told to play something else if you don't like it.
Honestly, might as well. We basically paid for the Tunnel Town & Slug Simulator game.
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Same. I'll never hook a survivor twice unless they go out of their way to sandbag their teammates or troll. I still get accused of tunneling even in 12 hook games with no double hooks.
Sometimes I'll punish an unsafe unhook just to make the unhooker lose benevolence points. That drives players mad. But its their fault for running in before I can even get away from the hook without BT and playing badly.
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I never depend on luck when winning as killer, so its pretty easy to have it slip under my radar
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its actually very common at high rank
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I would be more useful if you were worth the effort of explaining it to, but for someone as upset as you for a killer you only face probably 1% of the time being too hard to deal with you sure make it hard to want to tell you how to deal with it like a good player
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Tunneling right off the bat is trash. No need for it problem is my fellow Killers feel the only way to win is to get 4 kills it just isn't true. 2 kills is balanced 3 kills is a Win 4 kills is a fantastic game. Now I just had a game Jen's were flying off the board big map I was having some struggles I would met I'm sure I wasn't playing my best game get down to one gen all four survivors are left it was a yui that I could tell wasn't as good as the others so went for the quick elimination because anybody can hold one button an kill generators that bought me enough time to get two more.
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Tunneling is the killer version of gen rushing. Its literally just kill rushing. It might be unfun to play against but its a decent strategy.
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DS should be reworked to punish killers that try the 3vs1 strat
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As has been stated many times, killer cannot be made any weaker at the unhook than they already are without the game entirely breaking.
The killer NEEDS the right to punish bad survivor rescues. Its just absolutely vital to the design. Not so they CAN tunnel necessarily, but because if they can't even THREATEN it the game gets... stupid.
Tunneling is a survivor sided problem. If you are getting tunneled, it means your fellow survivors did a sloppy rescue and screwed you over and the killer is doing what they 'should' be doing in that scenario.
Back in my day the idea of getting unhooked at all as a guarantee was ridiculous. Now everyone expects to get to play through every hook state and gets mad if they aren't allowed to fully heal up before being chased again, like it isn't the killer's job to pressure you and force you to do something to earn the right to survive.
Of course it makes a bit of sense because survivor Q is messed up. This means its harder to shrug off a bad match and go into a new one as a solo. But that is primarily because a lot of changes were made to make killer way less attractive than survivor. Trying to add more anti-tunnel tech to the game would force killers to double down, be more unpleasant, and make it worse as Q times shoot up. Again, the game cannot sustain stronger anti-tunnel tools.
As a SWF, being tunneled is a chance to punish the killer hard. You shouldn't be getting sloppy rescues, so it likely means your stealth play is off because you can't 'reset' to safety. If you are tunneled and the killer hard camps, if you did a long chase you won your team the game and pipped, huzzah you won!
As a solo, you gotta be a lot more... 'feral.' Hungry. You need to work to make sure your not the first in a chase because you can't be 100% about your teammates. You still need to cooperate with your fellow survivors, and shouldn't go full 'immersed.' Its just that your first response to detecting a killer shouldn't be 'do as much of the gen before running.' You CAN'T count on a good hook rescue, but if your not first on the hook as a solo you can basically guarantee your pip.
Learn jukes and fade-aways. If your ONLY skill to survive is looping, your very vulnerable to map changes, patches, and anti-looping killers and you DESERVE to lose if these killers come into play against you. Learning how to drop a chase is hard, especially now that survivors are much slower than they were back in the 'break LOS twice and the chase is basically over' days, but its still fully possible and getting good at that massively improves your success rate.
Rank 1 is not 'the best.' Rank 1 is inevitable through basic competence. You don't deserve to win every game you play doing the same thing you do every game to get to rank 1.
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What's the point of this game again? For Killers to try and kill, and for Survivors to try and survive, right? How that happens shouldn't matter. Killers have lots of tools/strategies to make life sh*tty for Survivors, and Survivors have lots of tools/strategies to make life sh*tty for Killers - it goes both ways.
If you're getting tunneled then you failed one of your primary goals in the game - avoiding detection, and if detected, winning the chase. You failed. It doesn't matter what the reason is - oh you didn't bring the right perks, or your team sucked and gave you away, or the Killer you faced is OP, etc - the list goes on and on, and Killers have to deal with it too when things don't go their way. It doesn't matter. Do better next time.
You don't like if a Killer kills you too quickly? You'd rather they spread the hurt around to everyone? Well Killers probably don't like it when you finish a gen super quick rather than everyone going their separate ways to spread out the repairs. You can come up with dumb rules all day and there will always be a counter to it, and always people who will STILL complain even if everyone played by those rules, because there is always something to complain about.
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That's why i keep my killer and survivor rank around 14-15, any higher and I HAVE to play like a scumbag to keep in the game
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I don't know about that. I don't go out of my way to tunnel, nor do I go out of my way to avoid it and I regularly play against Red Rank Survivors. For the record, I will Camp, Tunnel, Slug, and use the Mori if a particular match calls for it. I don't consider these valid, tactics "scummy" but for the most part I consider them niche. I've never found just trying to tunnel one person after another off the hook to be particularly effective at advancement or winning overall. So, I don't do it because it doesn't work consistently enough, not because there is any moral reason. Does that make sense?
By in large I think the most important thing about fighting Red Ranks is playing against type, doing things which screw with their information advantage, and simply never taking your foot off their throat. There is just a much narrower margin for error. You want them running from you all the time. That means you have to find them and then not lose them. You have to herd your chase, so that you can drive more off the Generators as you go. And I, at least, am always thinking about how to get a good 3-Gen while herding too. I'm not sure if you would call that scummy or not.
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Yes people who are bad at the game have the right to play but not to ruin the game for everyone else because they are too lazy to put in the effort to actually get better at the game instead of tunneling or camping.
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My tunneling works like this- there's usually ONE survivor who tries to work as a distraction- I'll flat out ignore them and target the overly altruistic pest- otherwise I reserve it for when I KNOW I'm gonna get buried with 0k unless I play dirty
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Honestly if killers wouldn't tunnel the first person so often it would be less of an issue or complaint. Mid to late game, anything goes, but those early game tunneling killers are just so annoying (and often cost themselves multiple gens for tunneling (assuming that survivor can dodge a little)
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I think survivors need to stop being so entitled. Their job is to kill and tunneling gets it done quicker. I play mostly survivor these days (used to main killer) and got tunneled the other day. Gens were flying (I solo Q) and he needed a kill. I can't blame him for this. Stop acting like they owe you a certain amount of play time before killing you.
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I honestly think this community is just selfish and doesn't consider how the other side feels.
Sure, you don't have any obligation to play nice, but when you play like an utter ######### (applies to both roles) all you do is promote more people to play in a same way, perpetuating stagnant and un-fun gameplay which eventually drives people to be bitter and toxic or done with the game.
So yeah, you can sit there and go "Oh ######### the other side" or "omg entitlement" but I can 100% guarantee the second the other side is sweaty against you, you'll complain about it.
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there is nothing you can do, thats why DS is not an anti tunnel perk. if he wants to tunnel he will, nothing you can do about it, just getting better. but nurse is one of those nothing you can really do.
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Put a pipe in it you miscreants.
I've played 2 out of 3 games tonight where their entire teams had DS.
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DS is only a problem if you tunnel in the first place, so this comment implies something interesting about how you play.
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D/C penalty.
There's nothing stopping killers now from doing what you mentioned. Before you could leave trash killers like that in the queue.
Also INB4: Yes you can run perks that counter (insert trash killer play) but why do i have to have an arsenal of things that I'll use a handful of times because 20% of the killer population cares more about its epeen than a good game.
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lol
Translation: I'm not very good, so I use scummy tactics to compensate.
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This exactly!
I am not going out of my way to tunnel someone. But if I see you I am downing you.
I think it is best to play some high rank competitive killer and people will see how, why and when tunneling really happens.
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No. Even without sweaty Survivors gen speed is too fast to rotate through 12 hooks without tunnelling.
If what you're saying is true that means that a killer should be able to find someone, start and end the chase within 40 seconds consistently. Even at that pace you'd only have 1 kill with no gens remaining.
Do math
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I see it that way:
You use Object, No MIther or a Key? I tunnel you.
You are only clicking and tbagging etc? I tunnel you.
You play nice and fair? I'm fair too and don't tunnel.
And I still get a lot of kills.
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