Killers who decide to facecamp/nod/hit on hook because of "genrush"
Lately I've been going against a few killers who get really offended if even a gen gets done, calling it "genrushing".
If you are chasing a survivor for long enough and a gen gets done, how is it genrushing? To survive, the only thing survivors need to do is open the gates and leave, which only get powered if you do gens.
Should we start just going up to you a give you a free down? Maybe suicide on hook so you get a free kill? I seriously don't understand the "genrush" mentality.
Survivors are supposed to do gens to survive, killers don't need to facecamp/nod/hit on hook to get a kill (if you need to face camp to get a single kill, be my guest I guess?).
Doing gens shouldn't be seen as a personal attack to you, or as survivors being toxic, to a point you feel the need to BM.
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People will camp for stupid reasons unfortunately.
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I feel like there are legit toxic survivors, but the quantity of killers I get who see doing gens/looping as toxic just makes absolutely no sense. A lot just seem to think they're entitled to easy games.
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If someone is unironically using the Term "Genrush", they already show that they dont understand that they (as: the person who is playing Killer) are responsible for slowing down the Speed of Gens. They even have some, really good, Tools to help them.
Genrush is the product of bad map pressure, because you cannot expect Survivors to do anything else when the Killer is not doing anything to get them off Gens.
When it comes to camping Killers - some people are mad about stupid reasons. It might be possible that not you, yourself are the problem, but maybe they needed to vent. Not going to say that this is a good thing to let it out on the next Survivor they hook, it clearly isnt, but who knows. IMO those Killer players seriously need to git gud, same like Survivor players who are mad about a Killer killing them in a game which involves one side killing the other side. (I dont mean you, OP, with that, just as a general thing when I see Survivors who get mad about getting killed)
People are way too sensitive for things that are just part of the game.
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Yes there are genuinely toxic survivors but not every survivor is toxic.
I've had a game where a Spirit with old prayer beads was face camping someone when no gens were done. Oh yea she also had an Ebony mori and Noed.
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Quite a few killers get offended if they don't stomp the survivors and call them out for "genrushing" or being a SWF but also fail to see their own mistakes that led to their loss.
Same for some survivors that always think that slugging,camping or tunneling was the reason they've lost and not the mistakes they've made.
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In my experience, there are way more people who BM on the survivor side than killer side. I rarely get smacked on hook, maybe after a super long chase or something that lost them the game.
When I am killer though? I will be running like enduring, they will camp a 100% safe pallet, drop it on my head, and then click / teabag at 5 gens left. And that's a daily occurrence. People HAVE to make sure you watch them get the hatch, even if you made the conscious decision to not care about slugging for the 4k.
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Funny you mention SWF because a lot of them will call me SWF quite a few times if it doesn't go well for them even though I always play solo
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We already have 1000 threads about survivors being toxic I'm sure. One thing is being actually toxic like teabagging, doing gens isn't being toxic.
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Yeah,that's a common excuse
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By that logic Marigoria then tunneling is also a valid strategy. After all it is the killer goal to kill
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If you can only win by tunneling, it means you aren't that good at the game.
Now give me another way to escape a match without doing gens, I'll wait.
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The hatch, which spawns in with 0 gens done. Lmao.
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So you want survivors to just sit and let you kill them, so the last one can get the hatch? Makes total sense buddy
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Don't put words in my mouth. You asked a question, I gave you the answer.
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You don't need to say something for it insinuate a thing. That's literally how the game works. Doing gens is the objective, tunneling isn't. You can still kill without tunneling, you cant escape without gens.
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Sometimes it's literally impossible for killers to pressure everyone at once, unless they play absolutely perfectly AND get lucky to find someone early without perks. I like to think that you are knowledgeable, and don't believe this yourself, but there are some players that literally think that pressuring survivors is something that you can just do on the fly with no effort. The only way to slow down the early game as killer is to down and hook 2 survivors in the first minute. (on a slightly different note unrelated to your comment) Yes, if a killer tunnels a survivor, the others can do gens quickly and easily, but at the same time, if a killer never bothers to purse a chase like quite a bit of survivors are requesting, it leaves no one dead with the game dragging on. But since no killers can't be everywhere at once (a very few can check most gens quickly, but not on a dime), gens will get done until the game becomes boring for everyone.
I think some people on both sides don't think about what they talk about.
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I've seen zero kill games where killers get like 27k points, I don't know why BHVR or the community puts so much weight on kills for victory. I get it's an easy straightforward thing to do, but all it really does is just raise expectations of killers.
The way the system works right now has caused a lot of killers to firmly believe that 3 kills and 31,000 points is a loss. Like a hard, "why do I even try" loss.
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Tunneling is the killer doing their objective, which is, you know, killing people. Half the time people get tunneled because survivors are so used to easy BT saves that they get mad when the killer goes and just finishes off the guy who was unhooked in their face as punishment for the stupid save.
You can escape every game by bringing left behind and a key, and waiting around. No gens required, ever. Maybe your team doesn't make it, but you will. "You can't escape without gens" is a lie. People escape from my games all the time after doing literally nothing. And then they are proud of it. So I will disagree with that statement no matter what you tell me.
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When there is only one type of objective with only on type of method to speed it up, people tend to become really good at it over time.
If survivors are doing gens back and forth while you chase someone, it's not genrushing, it's simply a byproduct of the fact that you are not chasing the other three.
It's ironic, because when a survivor is being camped, the best strategy is to typically do gens so the other three can escape. Leading to the killer complaining about gen rushing and continuing to camp and tunnel.
Maybe if killers had better ways of both getting around the map and discouraging survivors from constantly attempting to repair the same gen it would be different, but for now we can expect the Leatherface to hook you, use insidious, and nod frantically.
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A Killer can win without tunneling, Survivors cannot win without doing Gens.
EDIT: And also... Just look at the number of DS-Complaints. Quite a bunch of Killers tunnel :^)
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And killer's objective is to kill survivors, which might or might not involve camping
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"Gen Rush" is just survivors doing their objective as quickly as possible. To think they are being "toxic" or unsportmanlike for playing the game is ridiculous. There is nothing else for them to do on the map besides bones, and bones don't help them escape.
If survivors doing their objective makes the killer think they are "toxic", that is more a complain towards the game itself being ridiculously lopsided and unenjoyable when everyone is actually playing to win.
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People will camp for whatever reason at this point.I remember 1 month ago a guy in his profile has his own rules in terms of how survivors should behave and how many gens they should do.
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Look, I can't imagine a killer enjoying a 5 minute match, and scraps for blood points.
If you blow through the generators and don't allow for the killer to have any fun, there's going to be a reaction.
Am I saying it's right or wrong? No.
Am I saying everyone should try and make the match fun? No
I'm just saying.
I don't know what you expect. Just to let you go? Killer goes off and stands in the corner of the basement?
Survivors hate it when their game is made short by the killer, the killer hates it when the game is made short by the Survivors.
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first of all though it is not a "GEN RUSH" doing the gens as fast as you can is just rushing through the gens. Play killer and FEEL how FAST those gens pop at all ranks. it's just insane. with 4 people on a gen it takes about 30-35 seconds or so for a single gen to be done. with one it's 80 seconds. if three people are on separate gens that's 3 gens in approximately 80 seconds. that's 3/5ths of the survivor objectives and the killer might have gotten two hooks which is 1/6th of their objectives (looking to 12 hooks as the objective since 4 survivors get 3 hook states total). and when 4 people are surviving and 3 gens are done the killer has to get one person out at a minimum to kill the momentum built up. this is the problem survivors don't see what it does to the killer as they work their own way.
GEN RUSH is when everyone brings toolboxes and/or brand new parts and team up on gens. so yea it's possible but it's worse when you are not having an easy time and very frustrating. Now speaking of tunneling, it is crappy but it works. if you can get someone out of the game in the first couple of gens then you have put pressure on the remaining survivors. it's not always the best as good survivors will do gens while someone is running the killer so it's possible the tunnel will allow multiple gens to be done so though it is a source of pressure it does not always work. camping as well, because camping you could get people trying to rescue and go from there again camping is a problem for the killer as good survivors will do gens.
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First of all, While I personally don't tunnel much (take that as you will, but that's not important), I actually feel the need to tunnel IF someone has DS, because it can ######### me over in the late game if I'm not carful. Get it out of the way early, then the match is already looking better.
My main point thought is that your generalization of killer is SUPER ######### STRONG here, and you show very blatant extreme survivor bias. I personally don't give a damn if a killer tunnels me, that just means I can get into another match quicker :^)
"A killer can win without tunneling, Survivors cannot win without doing Gens" and you are right, but a survivor can win without DS, a killer cannot win without killing.
This may be a very unrealistic bit of hope, but I want BOTH sides to have as much of an enjoyable experience, but that can't really happen when people are short-sighted and unwilling to understand both sides.
I understand where you are coming from, you don't want power to be taken away as survivor, but here's the thing...
...The killer's job in order to win is to remove as much power from survivors as possible, while the survivor's job is to keep as much power as possible. In some cases (of course not all obviously) tunneling and camping is necessary to win, just as how sometimes making matches 5 minutes long doing gens fast is necessary to win as survivor, that's what this game boils down to, yet you complain about killers removing your power and agency from the match, then say it's always their fault, because they don't play how you play. Guess what bud, you can't tell other players what to do. Either complain about it to the devs and not the players, or deal with it. You can always just make your own game :^)
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I've been against many survivors with multiple toolboxes and generator perks like "prove thyself" and go out of their way to focus generators and sometimes even forgo altruism (e.g let someone die, reach second stage hook) to just rush the gens.
If they do that, I would call it gen rushing, or the equivalent of tunnelling for example, but anything else I wouldn't really constitute as gen rushing.
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People always talk about the Survivor's Handbook for The Killer but there never wanna discuss The Killer's Handbook for Survivors. Basically some of the rules are: don't do gens while The Killer is chasing, never use DS, UB or SG at any point during the Trial, don't rescue with BT in the TR, don't take a hit during BT, never sabo a hook, don't cleanse Hex Totems ever but if you must wait at least 10 min, never loop, etc.
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4 man stacks on a single gen aren't very efficient and are easy for the killer to pressure as the entire team of survivor is there. Teams who want to do all 5 gens as fast as possible are going to split up to work on gens solo and pressure the entire map. They'll also ignore totems, leave survivors on hooks until after they finish the gens, and never heal until all gens are done. Gen rush squads will also burn pallets quickly since they know their teammates will leave them on the hook to finish gens so they'll likely reach struggle state on their first hook.
It's ultimately very boring gameplay for both sides which is not why you see actual genrush squads often.
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This happens to me all the time. And I'm like "No, I'm solo"
They're always like, "whatever".
Like they refuse to believe they lost to solos
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I mean gen-rush is a thing but it's rare and I doubt that the killer camping you got gen-rushed.
Gen rush is when survivors, usually a SWF split up on 3 separate gens at the beginning of the game with toolboxes. By the time the killer has found someone and is midway through a chase 2-3 gens have already gone. if they don't split up then there's still alot you can do as a killer even at the start of the game especially with a ruin + undying + tinkerer build.
People complain about DS because it can be used offensively outside of tunneling. Alot of killers have already suggested boosting its anti-tunnel (make it have more than one use per game) in exchange for not being able to do objectives. Idk there's been a bunch of videos made on it each with a different suggestion. However, to reduce all complaints of DS to wanting to tunnel survivors is a pretty shameless strawman ngl.
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you might notice i used that as a point not saying that was the case. but you ignored that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative.... but for your weakened eyes to not be strained here is what i said after i talked about 4 people on a gen being about 30-35 seconds. "with one it's 80 seconds. if three people are on separate gens that's 3 gens in approximately 80 seconds. that's 3/5ths of the survivor objectives and the killer might have gotten two hooks which is 1/6th of their objectives (looking to 12 hooks as the objective since 4 survivors get 3 hook states total)." this was my main point that it can feel like a gen rush when 2-3 gens pop off in less than 2 minutes. stop looking at a post when you find a juicy tidbit you think was the main point and gnaw at it and you MISS the main meal and the whole point of the post. go back and RE-READ my post and you'll see how idiotic your post is because you also talked about the same thing i was talking about in order to refute my post because i STARTED with 4 people on a gen doesn't mean that's the focus of my post!
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lol I agree, one time i was solo and there were 3 other solos, we operated like a swf normally does! it was funny because they ended up asking if we were swf and we all said nope, and the killer and us had a great chat and became friends but it was great 4 solos CAN act like a swf and killers can be good and fun people to know but the ones that assume and won't take answers as reality well they aren't. occasionally i'll ask SWF? just to find out and the survivors act all indignant when it was a question.
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I had a killer who complained avout this the other day when he would hook a person and then sat there maybe 2 feet in front of the hooked person until they died so we all did gens since there was no way we could get them off the hook and we got called out as garnishing. How is it our fault you didnt get us off gens cause you were facecamping
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I only camp if the survivor is intentionally being obnoxious (Flashlight clicking, teabagging), is running Object Of Obsession (If I'm someone like Trapper and they're in a SWF, OoO pretty much counters my power and I need them dead asap), or if all generators are completed and I'm not running an endgame build. (Once the final generator is completed moving away from the hook means they get rescued, probably next to a 99'd exit gate with DS active. There's no reason to leave the hook at that point unless I'm running something like NOED + Remember Me + Blood Warden.)
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and survivors tea bag the killer for literally no reason at all other than he didn't kill them....
These are just things you kinda have to deal with.
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Yeah haha I've had that "Nice SWF" and it's like dude, 2 of them have the console player crossplay icon beside their heads; and the other guy has a public profile that you can see we don't know each other- but nope, I'm a "Lying cheating SWF" with a "Nice discord buddy" apparently xD
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Don't feel bad i had a teammate get butt hurt because they watched me looping a killer and after I had to leave the loop at the killer shack I went out the entrence to go to the next loop, we'll this idiot decided to stay on the gen that was next to the shack and instead of the killer going for me they went for them and downed them in which they first hook DCed, they then proceeded to msg me saying why did I take the killer to them and they got "tunnled" I laughed so damn hard bout them saying tunneled on first hook, needless to say that was the only idiot who died but it was somehow my fault lmao
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Tunneling isn't mandatory, doing gens is.
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Killing is as mandatory as generators.
You're comparing how someone gets an objective done to an objective to be done.
Gens are necessary, but you don't have to shoot for doing them in under 5 minutes, or work on them so aggressively.
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Killers who face camp will just keep getting 1ks and 0ks until they learn camping is a terrible strategy that doesn't win games. Went against a face camping Myres we got 4 gens done with almost 0 pressure. He chases me at 1 gen left when the person on hook finally dies but guess what? I still have ALL my resources, exhaustion is ready, all pallets still on the map, Adrenalin comes in clutch and he gets a 1k.
I was face camped against a Billy same thing. He camps me the others do 4 gens with no pressure and he gets a 1k. The only way killers stop camping is they learn its a terrible start that looses games.
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If they're done under 5 minutes it says more about the killer than the survivors, unless they were all using toolboxes etc
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As if survivors don't use toolboxes?
Imagine a killer seeing a squad of 4 with toolboxes in their lobby.
And possibly not having Franklin's unlocked.
Worse yet, quick switching at the last second to help make sure Franklin's doesn't come into play. Oh, yeah, survivors can be scummy about it.
Or SWFs having a low rank so they can rush on low rank killers.
Matchmaking isn't great to begin with.
Even without toolboxes it's not unusual to have multiple gens pop in the first minutes of the game, even among the best dbd youtubers.
It's not fun seeing that no matter how you get there, it means you're going to get rushed and the killer lost a lot of time to do things.
You don't have to rush any more than the killer has to camp, or tunnel, but many survivors do, and act like it's ok.
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Not everyone is a "4 men squad". Not all lobbies will have 4 toolboxes, and if they do and you dont have franklins, you can always dodge.
I'm talking about solo survivors who do a gen without toolboxes and the killer gets salty and calls it "genrush".
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It seems like some people are too casual with the term "gen rushing". Actual gen rushing is when at least 2 gens pop within the first 2-3 minutes despite having good gen pressure, because survivors spread out and brought good toolboxes with great add one like "new part". But i can't even complain, they just did their objective effectively, I just wouldn't feel bad about tunneling against gen rushes. Face camping is toxic and should be avoided unless a survivor teabags mid chase
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As a killer main I agree. Safety pip for them and a depip for me.
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Not Every killer tunnels, and/or camps?
Like I said, even without toolboxes survivors can rush the gens. It's not uncommon to see 3 pop in a small window of time.
It doesn't matter what a solo does when it's the result of the actions of 4 people. This isn't a 1v1 game.
I only run solo as a survivor.
Neither you, nor I can control what others do, be it a 3 man, or 3 solos, or a 2 man and another solo, but their actions still impact the game.
I'm not interested in laying it all at the feet of the killer. It's a vicious cycle both sides perpetuate. The pendulum swings both ways.
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Meh, "genrushing" and "tunneling" go hand in hand
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I agree if one is okay so is the other. Tunneling can grant kills quicker just like gen rushing can get gens done quicker. The killers job is not to appease the survivors. Its the killers job to kill them and tunneling allows for it to happen quicker just like gen rush for survivors.
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if you die because of a some one tunneling its like a killer not creating enough pressure. I guess try harder or get better
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