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Freddy's getting tweaks B)
How we feelin' Freddy stans. Your precious killer is finally gonna get the nerf he needs 🤭🤭🤭
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Yay, the Upper mid tier killer at best is getting nerfed, but let's ignore Nurse and Spirit who actually are overpowered because they have low kill rates, yay.
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Sound like the type of person to ask for a killer nerf on a weekly basis but lose their mind over a slight flashlight nerf lol
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Git Gut
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1 out of 100 Nurse matches ends in a 4k. Yeah, she destroys but that's that. You'll see her no more.
I see Freddy's every other match, and he mostly always gets a 3-4k. Anyone who says Nurse needs a nerf is just really bad at the game and needs to git gud.
Spirit on the other hands, Jesus Christ. She needs some serious tweaks to her power. And Nurse already got her nerfs, no one wants to play with the buggiest killer in the game.
And no, Freddy isn't mid Tier. He's A+ Tier. Just because you don't see him at Rank 17 doesn't mean the Rank 1 survivors like myself don't see him every other match.
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I missed it - what's the update?
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I'm a nurse main, so 100 out of 100 Nurse matches ends in a 4k. Something being hard to play or rare is not a good balancing factor, she needs a nerf/rework.
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I was kinda surprised to hear Freddy was the guy they were targeting tbh. Didnt think he was a big problem.
And I say that as a survivor main. (Who also plays killer)
Honestly the only killers I legitimately hate facing are red axe Huntress (regular one is fine), Mori Michael (regular one is fine), and Bubba (he's not overpowered, he's just so unfun to play against. Personal opinion. His sweep attacks go for too long)
But in terms of actual power? I didnt think he should be at the top at all.
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I'm a Nurse main myself, but I'm not the only killer playing killer in my region.
How often do you go against the same survivors? I'm in Los Angeles, so the answer is almost never.
EVER. So yeah, 1 out of 100 Matches.
And no, she doesn't need a nerf after they remade her addons into meme addons and gave her a cooldown bar.
You're a fake Nurse player, you're a fake killer main. Stop disguising yourself as a "Nurse Main" to try and get her nerfed.
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We have no idea. Devs said he's gonna get changes, along with clown and Wraith. And Huntress and Demo are getting some tweaks too. Again, they've said very little about all of this so who knows what they mean.
...but, that being said, if you're a Freddy fan I wouldn't have high expectations because it will probably not be a good change overall lmao. He's likely gonna get nerfed in a lot of areas, but hopefully buffed in others to give him some defined strengths and weaknesses, because right now he doesn't have any imo which is the biggest thing that contributes to his snooze-factor on both sides.
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To give you some perspective, someone asked are they going to nerf/change Freddy. They said that they know Freddy's kill rate is much higher than the other killers and has steadily remained so for a year. It caught their attention. So they are going to re-balance him soon.
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what in the world are you talking about, Nurse is 2nd most played killer in the game... at 6.58% only losing to Huntress. Freddy is played much less than her and has been fair to play against for long time now. I kinda wish i would play more against these 115% killers like bubba,myers, freddy etc. they're really easy to beat and very relaxing to play as for survivor. sadly most of the games that i keep getting are nurses, huntress and spirits.. basically all the exotic stuff. well no worries, if you were struggling vs freddy, soon you won't have to put any effort vs freddy once they're done with him. After they're done with freddy, they'll just complain of next killer with highest kill-rate, an endless cycle.
as Reinami said, freddy is just mediocre and they're using statistics without proper matchmaking or proper MMR. If you think your struggling with killer now, just wait till it actually starts to matchmaking starts to properly match you with survivors of equal skill-level that are all playing to escape and demolish you. killer might become a very unfun but at least it will start to show real balance of DBD. Part of what makes DBD bearable is that your often not matched with people of equal skill level so many games are easy stomps.
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I normally disagree with you but yeah trying to argue people here who make nurse out to be the "most played with most kills" is probably not worth your time. Either they havent played the game enough or are just oblivious. I hope everyone knows how nurse is hardest to learn but amazing in the right hands honestly i find her very balanced for that reason alone. Freddy definitely isnt top of the board though in terms of power and ease. Spirit should have taken that from him im pretty sure. Especially stridor spirit.
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Just so you know Freddy isnt gonna get a full rework probably they are reworking how borrow time works against him or something small at teleportation but dont worry all of those who complain about are just babys who doesnt know how to counter him. I hope yall who hate Freddy in future matches to get tryhards nurse, spirits and deathslinger moring first hook. 😘
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Nurse was already nerfed, and statistically has the lowest killrate. Which means her high risk deserves her high reward. (Which is a philosophy adapted by every game, ever. Hard to use characters = good)
Freddy however has stayed #1 in terms of kill rate for over a year, mentioned on today's dev stream. Which is what happened to Nurse before she got nerfed.
But you don't want to admit any of these as facts, do you?
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Thank you to both of you! I'm curious to see what happens.
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Fredy is very strong but the gen rush is more strong and devs never balance it.
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Kinda crappy that they will nerf Freddy. I picked him up a few days ago now they will nerf him. If he becomes useless again then it's like a bait and switch. They collect your $ then change him. If you no longer like him then you got duped. I figured after the big rework he would be in the final form. Hell, if you liked old Freddy you got duped since he's so different than release (although I doubt many liked old Freddy but still).
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I'm a nurse main, she only has a low kill rate because she is hard to play. If you play her a lot, like i do, you have to TRY to not 4k. I literally can't remember the last time i didn't 4k as nurse.
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Can't imagine a reason for nerfing pay to win freddy
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I forgot, wasn't freddy deemed "OP" by Survivor players with less than 2k hours because he was able to see their Aura's through the power??? He finally got a power and add-on rework 1.5 years later and he was mediocre at first, then killer players figured out how to play him effectively. Now survivors are back to crying about "Killer OP" rather then trying to adapt to the killer...?
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I want old freddy back, that is what i paid for, that is who I enjoyed playing, new freddy is just so freaking braindead and boring its pathetic.
Already mentioned what they should do:
bring back old freddy,
no more falling asleep automatically, no more clocks on the map to wake you up, no more bloodpools or fake pallets,
but he can keep the gen teleporting for mobility,
Freddy gains his old absence from the map if you are not in the dream state
gains his old distance dream inducing ability
gains the new feature that during dream transistion survivors actionspeed is reduced to almost nothing so in all 99ed cases its best to abandon what you are doing and run.
done and done, old freddy back, buffed still, has mobility, good times for all
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Guy, do you really think is fair a killer that hits you 3m from you and a passive power that makes you run 45secs to be asleep for 60secs?
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I'm pretty sure there are Killer lunges that are far worse than Freddy's (I really don't see the issue besides latency). Examples: EW3 Myers lunge, Legion's extended lunge and Spirit's lunge boost when she comes out of the power and swings. Also a passive ability that's tied to the Killer's power and game mechanic? I'm pretty sure Survivors have a stronger passive ability, it's called the "Obsession".
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Lmao, it's a known fact that Freddy is overperforming. And that thing you said about survivors crying "killer OP", sounds kinda like killers complaining "DS op SWF OP nerf survivors" instead of adapting. Killers are way more whiny on this forum than survivors. Maybe instead you should adapt to the nerfed freddy?
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Old Freddy was just plain bad and not fun for both sides.
Yes, as a Killer I enjoy not being able to hit survivors after I use my ability for 1 second then waiting a additional 7 seconds, I enjoy a power that doesn't have any skill or gameplay, I enjoy being mindlessly pallet looped by Survivor without being able to do anything.
Yes, as a Survivor I enjoy doing basic game mechanics 50% slower, I enjoy having my Aura shown to the killer at all times, I enjoy purposely failing skill checks just to get out of the Dream World.
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It's less people crying freddy op more the devs have stats showing he has an almost 3/4 kill rate on average each game. Significantly higher than all other killers and he's maintained this position for a year. He is legitimately overperforming and does need a change.
This is coming from a Freddy main; he's doing far too well. I'm actually kinda excited to see what happens.
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untrue, old Freddy had some issues that needed tweaking but nobody complained he was unfun to go againt, only that he was weak but I had a blast playing him.
"Yes, as a Killer I enjoy not being able to hit survivors after I use my ability for 1 second then waiting a additional 7 seconds, I enjoy a power that doesn't have any skill or gameplay, I enjoy being mindlessly pallet looped by Survivor without being able to do anything."
"Yes, as a Survivor I enjoy doing basic game mechanics 50% slower, I enjoy having my Aura shown to the killer at all times, I enjoy purposely failing skill checks just to get out of the Dream World."
This just speaks volumes of you having no idea of how to play old Freddy, think of Freddy as Plague, you chase a survivor, you see some others on a gen, you hit them with your power and move on, they now have to adress this, that is gameplay, and if you ahve trouble being looped...well again that is just you not being good enough at the game yet.
As a survivor I did enjoy not really knowing were freddy is and once he got me with his power I had the room to run to some area of safety, then you try to avoid him and run up to a gen to get rid of it again or a survivor, but heck this is actually still in play so you just dont like freddy and frankly dont seem to enjoy the entire game.
I could make this same senseless argument about any killer in the game:
"yes, as a survivor I enjoy working on a gen only to have a hatchet hit me in teh face from across the map"
"yes, as a survivor I enjoy being one shot by a man with a big stick after he hit me once I bled all over the place"
"yes, as a survivor I enjoy (insert anything that remotely makes your goal a little bit hard aka the gameplay)"
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Did I ever say DS or SWF is "OP"? Seems like you misinterpreted my actual point, granted they're annoying but nothing game breaking. Also describe "overperforming" by that you mean Kills, Hooks or Chase length? Kind of hypocritical you tell killer players to adapt even though they adapted to 30 pallets every map back in 2016-17, how unfair old DS and BT were, old BNP's and Instaheals and the Old Hex: Ruin nerf...
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Once again, the stats that are released by the devs don't tell you the whole picture. For a matter of fact I guarantee you that 90% of those are from red renks. As killer main, i'm afraid that every good killer is getting nerfed because of a kill rate that doesn't tell you a whole lot.
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Actually they released stats from all ranks and then red ranks only.
And from my own personal experimentation, I can very easily get consistent 4ks as Freddy using a single brown add-on (Sheep Block). He needs toning down.
I hope that after him they take Spirit, but the buffs to Clown, Wraith, and Demo boost them up into the meta instead and they don't touch the Huntress' basekit (Except her hitboxes), just her addons.
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I'll probably still 4k regardless so whatever.
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Nurse and Spirit have the lowest killrates because they require the most time to master to get any sort of reward, that's why the devs aren't going to nerf them
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Spirit is a killer machine. You can 4k easily every game
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The whole "You don't know how to play certain character" is very flawed and is a poor excuse of saying I know how to do this correctly.
The way I played old Freddy was I pull the first Survivor I see into the Dream World, if I see more, pull them in as well. Chase the survivor as a M1 killer, hook them and repeat the process. (Which is what everyone else pretty much did)
You use 1 of 3 sets of add-ons; Decreased Dream Transition time, Extra Slowdown penalty and Decreased Skillcheck odds. His old design was more late game rather than earlier or mid-dame, not my preferred playstyle but still got the job done.
Also my examples didn't describe the prime issues of Freddy's old design but gave you a brief picture of way he wasn't fun to play as/against (mainly as).
Yes, I agree with you on the fact I don't enjoy the game as much I used to back in 2018 and 19 because of weird decisions from the devs and obvious favoritism.
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Changes be like:
removed 1 dream snare
2+ seconds before you can teleport again.
Dont get you hopes up, these are the same devs who over hyped that Trapper could reset traps from the ground like they did a huge rework or something....
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You would not be saying this if you face good survivors every 2 matches or on playing on EU servers.
Once again Nerfing Killer's kits are the solution to "fixing" the game, I could see add-on changes or reducing the length of the slowdown from the bloodpools but if it's a straight up removal of one of his abilities or replace it with something weaker, then NO. Not to mention we got to take into account of Survivor's skill level and maps that are being played.
Also i'm pretty sure Tru3 pointed something out this in the past along the lines of "Survivors are killing themselves against certain killer, in order to get them nerfed".
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I can't tell if that first bit si directed towards me or not but if it is, I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor, ex survivor main, current killer main. My mains include Freddy, Nurse, and Pyramid Head, with Wraith and Bubba chilling as some backup. I play on EU frequently, considering I'm from England and my closest servers are London and Hannover both of which are EU.
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So long as it isn't like the last Freddy nerf that landed him in F tier for years, I think he'll be alright.
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There's really people in this thread that are trying to say that Freddy isn't overtuned right now? Amazing. It's like they forget that Freddy:
- Teleports
- Sets dream snares
- Distracts survivors from objectives (having to wake up)
- Is invisible from a distance to awake survivors
- Sets the oblivious status to sleeping survivors
- Slows down player actions when they're asleep
- Has dream pallets.
No other killer has that much random crap, most of it passive so they don't actually have to do anything.
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You forgot tracking via blood pools.
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I'm kinda skeptical that anything substantial will come out of it. The devs are good at buffing/nerfing, but re-balance almost never worked out.
PH was meant to be re-balanced, except he can zone like before and his potd is buffed.
Billy's overheat was meant to be a balancing feature (I'm not sure it was needed in the first place, but whatever) and they had to nerf it to be as good as non-existent.
Spirit's vault animation and removed collision during phase=completely missed the issues with her power.
Nurse was straight up nerfed.
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Ahh, I never play Freddy so I didn't even realize that was a thing. It's even worse than I thought.
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Good maybe they'll add the ability to play with an ounce of skill. He should never have been updated with his current state.
The problem with Freddy is that hes a jack of all trade with no major downsides. He has a tool for every situation.
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Did i ever say YOU said that? i literally said KILLERS in general complaining about them. By overperforming i mean kills, chase length and everything about him. The overpowered survivor perks and stuff have already been reworked. Funny how you only mention and rant about survivor sided things, almost as if you are biased..
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You need to look at Freddy and stats in general with grain of salt. He is quite easy to use and quite strong, that's why his kill ratios stay up always. But Freddy even in current state struggles against top survivors no matter how good you are, more nerfs to him and you can forget him being viable against strong survivors.
Back in 2016 when survivors were OP as hell survivors defended that they shouldn't be nerfed because killers were getting 2 kills 2 escape ratio, so according to the stats everything was balanced (even when it clearly wasn't) I had to wait 45 mins to play with my friends because survivor queque were so horrible because of lack of killers
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I would argue that only an organised SWF can beat a half decent Freddy if he commits to those cancerous stacked slowdown builds. Also taking the most boring part of DBD and extending it further (gens) isnt exactly fun to go against. The weirdest part is that freddy doesnt even need that slowdown. His snares cna be insanely strong when placed properly and he has free map wide mobility. I feel like most freddys are just sadists who want to troll.
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You definitely don't need 4 man death squat to beat average Freddy. I've beaten decent Freddys even in solo. He is quite annoying to go against as a solo survivor if he teleports to your gen when its like 95% and you cannot inform to your team to go finish it, then it keeps regressing as he chases you. Problem is when other survivors just give up and die on the hook, they aren't even trying to survive, so kill ratios will stay very high against him
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We don't care, you 'nerfed' decent killer, we got changes to DS, i think that's a lot better ;)
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Personally I just think his addons need to be tweaked when it comes to gen regression. Almost no other killer in the game can negatively affect gen progression with the ease of an add on and it's a bit ridiculous. Freddy already has such an amazing base kit with hinder snares for chase, teleporting to any gen he wants for mobility, and the inability to see him until he is extremely close unless in the dream state, etc. I understand he should have good addons but giving a killer insane gen regression powers without having to designate a SINGLE perk slot to it is a bit absurd.
Nurse had the highest kill rate for over a year at one point and her base kit ability got absolutely DISMANTLED and her addons, even the irri ones are kinda... absolute garbage. I understand she is the most powerful killer in the game as a rank 1 nurse main but it took me many, many, many hours to even become semi-good with her. Honestly that's all I have to say about her though, high risk high reward. Anybody can just log on to DBD, spend some BP on the bloodweb and equip forever freddy with ruin + undying + tinkerer and it's almost impossible not to win. If you see a tremendous amount of people killing themselves on first hook when they see a certain killer, something is probably wrong because that's not fun for the killer or the survivor at the end of the day.
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If we could get old Freddy back, with some minor tweaks, i would be so happy.
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