What's wrong what an LGBTQ+ character in Dead by Daylight?

They said they don’t want to do a 1-dimensional character whose only trait is being LGBT.

and there is already one char in the roster that was created with being LGBT in mind, but they haven’t revealed who it is.

Answer this. How do you represent LGBQT people in this game? How do you represent it in a game with no character interactions past gameplay mechanics, no real voice acting past grunts and screams, no personality aside from maybe the killers? There's no way to represent it aside from forcing it in a players face to the point where it seems like a giant sign that says "Hey Look! I'm gay!"?

If survivors for example had proper voice acting, interactions with other survivors, proper personalities that weren't as flat as cardboard and a bit more flair to their design I wouldn't oppose it. However as far as interactions with characters go it's literally just survivors heal each other, killers hit survivors and put them on hooks. That leaves little room for other subtle nods unless you give a cosmetic a flavor text. Maybe a survivor with a shirt that has a bracelet that he got by attending a gay pride parade or something. How do you fit it in the game aside from maybe a tome?

And again - I'm a gay guy and I don't want gender politics or any other politics in my game. I play video games to escape that ######### because it gets annoying. Yes the world sucks and there is poor representation on all these topics everywhere. However I'd like to come home and just forget about this nonsense for a day especially with the past 4 years.

If BHVR does it right then okay I have no problem but I don't see a proper solution and the community is constantly pressuring them in such a stupid manner to ADD REPRESENTATION like it's the end of the world if they don't. Let BHVR design characters at their own pace and if it happens it happens quit trying to force it. My whole issue with it. The community wants a MANDATORY GAY CHARACTER. They're so vocal about it they're going to make BHVR just haphazardly make one because it was in demand.

I can already see the headlines by game journalist - Game developer finally adds LGBQT character by popular demand by the community. It shouldn't even be that big of a deal but the community is so vocal about it a journalist would eat that right up. This game while it would draw in positive attention would also draw in the trolls.

TL;DR - If done right I do not oppose however I see very little openings to properly add such a character - The communities demands are also putting too much pressure on BHVR. They are aware of what the community wants - Please just let them work on this with a bit more silence.

tl;dr tl;dr - My main issue is what the community deems as inclusion - What does this mean and why does it matter? Right now it's pretty well open to interpretation on what the community wants on this subject. What actually is representation to those of you who support it?

And again - Not exactly against it I just don't see a right way to do this.

Well said, this isnt exclusive to dead by daylight or lgbt issues either, recently here in Ireland a news publication tried to claim a black man was a white supremacist because he opposed our governments kowtowing to each and every whim of the European Union.

I already said, I took SOME of your points and tried to answer those. Eg ‚The For side is unfairly pushing their anger at legitimate homophobes onto to people who are frustrated because...‘

regardless what comes after this, you are saying that the For side unfairly pushes anger towards non-homophobes because of the homophobes. My answer to that -as I am one of the For side- was that I never pushed any anger towards anyone.

you may say i took it out of context - and I admitted that already, I only answered some of your points- but the sentence you formulated there definitely was a generalization of the For side that I wanted to distance myself from. Nothing more. I also never tried to invalidate your complete post and mostly I agree with it..

[Your first point was also ‚the reality is that the majority of the people arguing have no issue with an LGBT character.‘ which is just an assumption from your side that’s not necesserily true]

I didn’t feel personally accused so don’t worry about that. I didn’t want to accuse you either, just wanted to clarify that since I have been a pretty active part in this discussion for the Pro side. I also tried to listen to what the individual people against inclusion are saying but it almost always boils down to what I wrote, or they leave the discussion altogether. If it’s really irrational then we can’t really discuss this on the internet, there is no argumentation to make them less irrational. In the end, the inclusion should show them that the fears they were having didn’t have any ground.

And expressing and understanding is a difficult thing especially in a public forum where also language barrier plays a big part (I am not a native English speaker as you can tell by the way I am writing).

have a Good Night, and again I didn’t take anything as personal accusation and didn’t want to attack you, although I said you were generalizing I didn’t think you were doing it in bad faith and don’t think anyone took it like that (or so I hope)

I wouldn’t be against cosmetics as well.

It they are not just making a character just LGBTQ, they want to create characters and they will not restrict themselves for them to not being LGBT. I think that’s a difference.

that’s why we don’t have a Char even month after that dev statement I think: they don’t just slap the tag onto any char. They will just include it once they created the char the way they wanted them to be anyway.

I'm going to be honest with you here. NO existing character has had their orientation revealed as of yet.

We know that Felix and the Nurse had marriages with partners who identified as female and male. We do not know if they had other partners in the past, or at the same time as their marriages. We know David had an ex-girlfriend. We do not know if he had an ex-boyfriend as well. Ace is described as a womanizer, but that doesn't mean he didn't enjoy pretty boys as well. Or transwomen. Etc.

As of right now, the lore is heteronormative, but that doesn't mean any character (well, except perhaps for licensed ones, which might be a bit hinky) is confirmed as straight. Or anything else. The closest thing we have to an actual confirmed identity is the use of gendered pronouns which match the characters' presentation, which is a fairly good indicator, but not 100%.

Like, if someone were to say that Kate was into girls as well as guys, I wouldn't bat an eye. Or whatever. There is absolutely no lore saying that any character is straight, after all.

I actually do not, just because it would make the "token generic hot white chick" into "also the token lesbian-porn bait" character. Too many people need bonked as it is.

I would prefer an entirely new character (or several, don't really care) be a part of the LGBT+ grouping, but it doesn't bother me much one way or the other.

Have you ever thought that representation matters to more than just you? Skin color, sexuality, and beliefs are all pieces that make up a person's identity, and everyone varies. It's refreshing to see characters that aren't white and straight, not because it's bad to be like that, but because there are so many already represented in media. I mean, there has to be a point where 'representation' in media just becomes another person or character and that's for the better. Only showing one type of person makes it less relatable, and if people want to relate, let them go ahead and ask. There's no harm in it, and there will always be more to a character than their identity. Also, the reason I'd like to see more representation of LGBTQ+ characters in this game is because of all the gross people who have said the f slur in end game chat, and I'd love to see their reaction to characters like that. Also, don't you think Frank represents a handful of people in a sense? A person who disagrees with the system and wants to rise above? That must represent a few people. I don't want to sound rude, I genuinely think it's good to have representation to have better connections between the character(s) and those consuming media.

Are you allowed to have an honest opinion about it, it you don't want such a character? Just asking.

lol

sounds like you mind. you're saying you or others might have to change their mains if they found out there were lgbt.

why do people care about representation? because we exist. we should be reflected in media.

Everybody can have their opinion.

but we will still get ‚such a character‘, which is btw just a normal character like anyone that’s already in. Actually there already is such a character.

At this point they need to make sure it's done well r it could blow up in their faces, see what happened with Supernatural, they will need to employ a sensitivity adviser, to come up with a action plan to make sure they deliver in a way that isn't derogatory, if they decide to reveal existing characters as LGBT+ then they need a set that are picked and then reveal them in the proper order, you want to lead with the best option in terms of likability and such so you can make it clear you are aware of the pitfalls and trying to avoid them, and to ensure that you have numbers that make it so one bad person isn't the only rep for a group,

I.E. LGBT Survivors before killers, and trying to have enough rep that one or two stumbles don't doom the whole thing, so like confirm 2 non stereotypical survivors as lesbians and then Rin as a lesbian before revealing Huntress as a lesbian, would be an example, lots of Lesbians already like Huntress, but if she was the first or only officially lesbian character it would be borderline lesphobic,

Also look to see who brings the most to the table, for example Hillbilly would probably be the best pick for a gay killer because you can work in allegory with his existing back story, using it as metaphor for being closeted or gay conversion therapy, and framing his past as a gay power fantasy about lashing out at abusers and oppressors,

to be blunt though i think they should do something sooner than later, as inaction is a invitation for unsavory people to see the team as being on their side which will only result in more people like those whose posts had to be deleted, it really wouldn't be hard to just slip in, like you can legit do it as easy as having Feng mention in a memory how she commissions pin ups of the female characters from games, it's not that hard, but once it's done it makes it so you have to be a bit careful about it, there after,