The mori nerf shows a double standard
Remember when instaheals were nerfed and survivors got like a week or more, before they were actually nerfed, to capitalize on using all their un-nerfed instaheals? I sure do. You couldn't find a match without 1-3 instaheals.
But guess what happened when moris got nerfed? No heads up, just insta-nerfed. So game breaking survivor sided things get to stay in the game until the devs "get around to it", but the killer sided ones are top priority and must be removed without delay!
I can understand why they did this. Perhaps they learned their lesson with the instaheal nerf, not wanting everyone to unload their mori war chests all at once. That still doesn't make up for the double standard, but it is practical.
And of course, we all know that the key nerf is coming in the near future. It's a shame that keys couldn't have been nerfed at the same time as moris, but whatever because they'll get nerfed eventually. What I want is for keys to be insta-nerfed as well, with no heads up. If that doesn't happen like it did with the mori nerf, it will be proof in the minds of many including myself, that the devs are survivor sided. So don't let it happen.
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Key nerfs are going to be more complex so it will probably spend time in PTB giving ample time for survivors to blow through the rest if they aren't doing it already.
Provided it ever happens.
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They said during one of their earlier streams that they were going to change keys and mories.
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Yes, but as of right now only moris have been changed. Who could have guessed it?
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Keys and moris have never been equal. Not in usage or the way they changed games. Period. I don't care how much some killer mains scream and moan and what about on the forums.
You're wrong though. There was indeed a heads up that moris were being changed, and I saw way more than usual in my games. It sucked, especially they already were way more common than keys.
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And when was that announcement? 8 hours before the nerf? I play this game just about every day, and I hadn't heard anything. Not a peep. It could have to do with me taking a 1- or 2-day break, but to be punished this hard over that? Imagine how those people feel who do don't follow the news really closely, and had this dropped on them. Oh wait! I don't have to imagine because apparently now I'm one of them. Whenever it was that the announcement came out, it was way, way too close to the patch release date for most normal people to react in time. I wholeheartedly believe the devs' intention was push this thing out ASAP so people would have little chance to use the un-nerfed moris.
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They 100% should have waited and changed both at the same time. I really don't know why they had to rush with the mori changes and couldn't wait for the key changes to go both live together when they'd be ready.
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I wish people like you would stop using 'killer mains' as an insult, it literally implies they're not entitled to an opinion.
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As long as both get done it doesn't matter both are trash and ruin experiences as long as it gets done right there no problem. Obviously, moris were more of a problem but keys need their fair share of dealing with asap also.
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Stop the damn whinging for 1 damn day. They said keys are getting changed at some point. Learn some damn patience.
Your just proven your double standard for being killer sided!
Mori's off the first hook have always been unfair, as is Myers killing an unhooked survivor. Like it or not, its true.
Keys, you can do something about those if you bring franklins, while not a 100% solution, at least you can try and deal with it. Mori's you couldn't do anything about as a surv.
Personally, I think survivor need to lose the ability to jump back over the pallet if they just stunned the killer with it, they should not be able to pass through the killer, they should run into the killer and they get a free grab.
Keys -> Eventually...when changed. I not sure how exactly they can be changed yet, but I think for starters, the person with the key should be able to go out the hatch, not all their friends at the same time. 1 key, 1 escape.
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I'm not "whinging" and I don't have double standards, but I do play both sides. Of course I'm killer sided if I have more fun in that role. But everything else you said is spot on.
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Alright, fair enough.
I just wish people would wait, we know key changes are coming. (Although, an accompanying post from for BHVR on the mori nerf notification that mentioned the key plans might have been smart....)
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Its great that you opened the 34th thread about this topic. Very valuable.
They will change Keys. Moris were stronger than Keys, so its ok if they get changed first. And even if Keys would have been changed first, I am pretty sure that the Survivor Mains would not have opened so many threads. Its just the Killer Mains who complain that their broken stuff is rightfully gone while Key will take a little bit longer.
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My problem is we don't know when the key adjustments are coming. It was supposed to be coming for years. It could be years again.
If they were coming in, say a month or less, it would probably have just been smarter to let them come together since the mori fix was so easy, so the wait is probably going to be even farther out which is not something to crow about.
If they were concerned with mori spam, they could have given super little warning, if any for both fixes.
Patches can't just happen with consoles from past experience, they have to go through a stricter application process. There's just a lot to prevent the level of optimism you have about keys being fixed on my end.
It doesn't help that the mori nerf comes while killers are being kicked in the ribs while they're down.
It's a huge betrayal, and it makes sense to me that people are angry about it.
Keeping everything in one thread means people are going to be drowned out, and quickly. Especially if they aren't on the last page, so they want to be heard. Makes sense to me.
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It shows how whiny and helpless can some killers be.
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What was the time frame again on that in the stream? Was it "soon™"? Because soon for BE could be any time between now and the apocalypse. Now that mori's were nerfed first everyone's blowing through their keys. Big surprise!
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But... we did know? I wasn't around during instaheal changes, so presumably the type of changes and when were disclosed there, but the actual fact of a mori change has been a given for awhile now.
They even had that survey dedicated to the idea and many direct statements about the agenda. It's the same way we already know they're going to target keys next (even if not knowing specifically how). Also explains why people were upset that they didn't do both at once, with both always being tethered together in discussions.
Also my experience was actually that people already were using them up like crazy in anticipation of the changes. I'm pretty sure you can find posts on the forums with other people describing the same observation too of killlers dropping em like its hot for at least a month now.
Besides, they're still pretty useful IMO . That's how I always used them as a killer (with rare exceptions).
THOUGH this reminds me..
So, on the subject of knowing stuff and making efforts to act before those changes...
anyone out there wanna help me crank out the "WHERE DID THEY GO" achievement before the upcoming key nerf?
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That is not the kind of announcement I'm talking about. Of course we all heard they would "change" moris and keys but that is the most vague thing I've ever heard. It didn't give a time frame or any clue as to what kind of nerf they were making. It's just like when they said the locker-holding ability for Victor would be added sometime after the launch of The Twins' chapter. That didn't tell us anything.
And I must have been very lucky or something, because I didn't see any more moris than usual when the vague changes were hinted at. I've heard from multiple people that "Oh, it was horrible! There was a mori every match!" but that was not my experience when I played survivor.
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Whiny? No. Helpless? Yes. Play killer against a red rank SWF, with a low or mid tier killer. You'll see how helpless it feels.
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Devs are survivor sided because they did something you didn't like is what i'm hearing....
Like others have said, key nerfs are going to be far more complicated and will require much more testing than just changing the amount of hooks needed before a mori.
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How on earth are killers being kicked in the ribs atm? Killers have never been more supported and helped than they are now
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If anything the fact that keys haven’t been nerfed yet should be good news for killer biased players. It means a more comprehensive rework of the keys is “supposedly” underway, or at least is more complex of a change than your precious mori’s.
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It would of hurt the game to announce the most broken offering in the game was going to be nerfed in X amount of time. You know people are going to abuse it. Wake Up bug that made it a super perk or the glitch that had Survivors fall through the floor in the basement showcases both sides have enough bad apples who would abuse something while they can. Surprise nerf was the best option for the Mori issue.
I'm already seeing more Keys and preparing for more. (had Victor guard one and got 2 additional kills with Felix escaping the hatch the normal method in the end cause I knew they'd be hungry for Claudette's key)
It's sadly fitting for some cases though. Mains on either side can be very bias and have a rather unsettling victim complex for their side's nerfs. "Survivor mains" is used just as much, if not more in a negative light on the forums.
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That mori's where stronger in terms of balances honestly doesn't matter. Both were fun-killers that ended games prematurally.
By nerfing mori's first they bassicly unofficially announced keys are following soon and we have the insta heal problem again.
I'm extremly glad that mori's were nerfed but they really should have waited untill both were ready.
When they already have a reputation of being survivor sided, stuff like this really doesn't help
Also no offence. But you're reallly being delusional if you think survivors would not have complained as much if keys were changed first. It would have been exactly the same.
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"When they already have a reputation of being survivor sided, stuff like this really doesn't help"
They get those reputation only because every damn time something on the Killers side is nerfed, people are like "They are ALWAYS nerfing Killers". Like, if I see that someone complains about "Infinites being back" when Breakable Walls are a topic and claiming that the Devs are survivor-sided because of that, they completely ignore the point that those god loops (which were way stronger without a breakable Wall to break) were removed a few months ago.
"Also no offence. But you're reallly being delusional if you think survivors would not have complained as much if keys were changed first. It would have been exactly the same."
Nah, the backlash when something on the Survivor-Side is nerfed is way less. Probably because Survivors are used to it, or because basically all of the stuff nerfed was justified. Which is the same on the Killers side for most of the things, but especially for Moris. The game is improving for Killer all the time, which means that some stuff which was ok two years ago is not ok anymore.
2020 has been a really good year for Killers (and for the game in general), still whenever just one slight thing is nerfed, this Forum turns into a mess, because Killer players are acting as if their game got destroyed.
And still, I did not see an increase of Keys in my games. I have seen 1 or 2 Keys over the evening, which is the normal usage like before the Mori-Nerf. I had a game with 2 Keys in one game, but those turned out to be broken Keys which had no impact (except for losing me my Flashlight to Franklins..).
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Hes litterally just referring to the people who play killer more than survivor. If you take that as an insult its pretty weird.
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The ebony memento is useless now... Now you equip it just to watch the boring animations? What is wrong with them devs???
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This change brought about the worst bout of survivor entitlement thus far. Before Moris were nerfed, it was general agreed upon that they along with keys we're both horribly unbalanced and cause problems. The general agreement that everyone had was that we would gladly nerf the moris so that we could have more fair keys. it was a perfectly fine trade everybody for the most part was ready to go along with it. But then the developers had a different idea. They decided that the survivors could have their Moray change without having to give up their keys
. Even if the devs only intended to Nerf Moris first and then truly rework keys in the following weeks, it doesn't matter because the devs have already sent their message, and that's why you are now fighting a survivor's fighting so hard to keep their keys after the mori nerf.
Is the developers encouraged to mentality that don't worry survivors we will take care of you The Killers keys weren't important, it doesn't matter what the developers intent was, because this is the result of their lack of foresight
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Everything op for survivors has been nerfed. BNPs Insta-heals and now keys are next. The mori change isnt even a nerf, it makes the game for fun for survivors so they dont get tunnelled off first hook then moried. Now all the entitled little killer mains are gonna start crying about how the devs are survivor sided. Everything op for survivors has been nerfed but as soon as a mori balance change comes out killer mains start crying. Get gud and stop depending on moris to win you the game.
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Another mori post. Another cry baby thread. Get over it! Oh no us killers didnt get to ruin hundreds of matchs in a week, how unfair. I have hundreds of moris on my killers and rarely care to use them because they make most matchs to easy. As survivor i rarely see moris anyways. Whats done is done, keep this bs mori crybaby stuff under 1 thread.
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The mori change was simple.
How do you nerf keys without making them utterly useless. You already have to have more completed gens than living survivors just to make the hatch visible and then you have to find said hatch which often takes longer than doing the gens or opening a gate.
Also this is coming from someone who never uses keys or moris.
Besides, devour hope is way better than a Mori any day.
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To be fair, the fact that a mori change was coming was known for some time. I haven´t played a killer game without an ebony for months, because i wanted to use them all up and had so many on so many killers. While the time and way of the nerf was unannounced, its coming was known.
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Maybe I'll start calling everyone who I disagree with crybabies and just call it a day. That seems to be the easier and more popular way of arguing.
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