I just lost an entire game because of DS's bullcrap.

The amount of people blaming the killer for playing well is sickening.

He ain't blaming the perk cuz he's sloppy, he's blaming the perk for being too much reward with no risk at all.

He says he downed the other 3 Survivors, then picked up the Nea and got hit with an "anti-tunnel" perk. Yes he made the mistake of picking her up to put it so blunt, but what of the pay-off from downing ALL the other survivors? They just got a free pass because of one perk. That is a super power perk to me XD and what if there were more than one Nea's? Sometimes I face a crew of Blendette's and it becomes hard to tell. Just go for the injured one, but what if there are two or three Injured Survivor's?

Decisive Strike really has the flaw of being a pretender, it's not an effective ant-tunnel perk. Often I take the stun then down the Survivor anyway, unless they're pressuring a Generator nearby. What do you normally see from players with Decisive Strike after being unhooked? They block you from hitting other Survivors, they do Generators in your presence, they run over to unhook or pick up other Survivors. Doesn't sound like they're running away from being tunneled, sounds more like they are aware they cannot be touched for 60 seconds.

Slug them? Unbreakable or Borrowed Time might be in effect.

Don't go after them? Well what if they're trying to finish a Generator or rescue another Survivor in my face?

Don't pick them up? Well we are back with Unbreakable again.

Honestly, we do have one experiment to balance Decisive Strike: the Incapacitated Status Effect. Survivors cannot do Generators or escape Exit Gates as long as they suffer from the Incapacitated Status Effect, if I recall correctly. I say that would be a neat way of balancing Decisive Strike, would definitely make it more suitable for anti-tunnel. Can no longer do Generators, can no longer be used as a get-out-of-jail free card during the Endgame Collapse.

If doing your best ensures playing the game through slugging and camping tactics then they wouldn't be having fun nor would their opponents.

Anyone can make the decision when having knocked down three other survivors that the fourths ds would be gone. It's not a mistake with person it's a fundamental flaw in a perk that in an ordinary match you can't always count on. I'm saying it's not their fault because the perk is flawed and anyone would assume three downs would take up the one minute timer for ds.

There's no point saying Oh you should've done this. Because they shouldn't. The game should be designed better. Period.

Exactly right but people just love to complain. survivors aren't allowed to have any perk in response to recurring issues in the game. So never bring decisive strike, borrowed time or unbreakable. Most killer players perceive these perks as unfair.

Exactly what I was thinking LMAO, I thought he must for sure be a Bubba to get all those downs and hooks and STILL get hit by DS, because I'm having a real hard time imagining ALL of that happening within 60s unless he got a chainsaw down on all 3 of them near a spot with a lot of hooks around. But the perks he mentioned don't look like a Bubba build to me haha

Sounds like you were already willing to risk DS on the other Nea since you say you couldn't tell which was which, which means you would have gotten the exact same result either way since you were unwilling to slug the Neas to wait out the possibility of DS.

"I hooked a nea, she got unhooked, I downed and hooked three survivors, then caught and downed her, then was promptly DS'd"

In any case, you would have had to slug for like... probably only a couple of seconds before you could have picked Nea up without an issue, because unless you're playing Bubba, it takes a decent amount of time to down, pick up, carry, and hook 3 different survivors.

Also, when I run an obsession perk, I always assume that there is DS, too, since there is no way to say for sure that there ISN'T DS.

It sucks that you lost this game but it definitely was 100% avoidable on your part if you slugged for probably literally only 5-10 seconds maximum.

Issue with that logic is that there are 4 survivors with 1 killer, if your able to keep a killer busy for that many gens to go off its blatant that the game is unbalanced and chase times are way to long compared to gens speeds with the possibility of 3 survivors doing separate gens at once, if the killer was plain bad then thats understandable but often enough that's not the case past green rank. A killers objective is to kill all 4 survivors as the survivors are to do all 5 generators. Killers need 3 hooks to "fairly" kill a survivor and get enough bp out of it to even matter. In your situation the killer could complain because yes, the gens popped off if one chase that took too long and he shouldn't of committed to it so now he's going to de rank, its a loss, your 1 of 4 survivors. 3 of which escape and "win" the game. Even in the case of a survivor getting the hatch after 3 kills, They technically "win" the game and in red rank hurts the killer alot more than youd think.

What exactly would be the point of running it at all then? It would literally become a useless perk. No killer in their right mind would ever pick up a survivor if they knowingly had DS. From your suggestion they might as well make all perks visible to all players killers included. “Oh I see the killer has devour let me immediately and immensely go and hunt the totem down so they won’t be able to use their perk”. That’s not a good idea. DS needs to deactivate when either someone else gets hooked, you heal up or touch a gen.

But you get robbed of your momentum either way, earlier in the game or later. There's many scenarios where taking the DS early is what causes you to lose the game. You have no way of knowing whether or not you can afford to take the DS. I've advocated for giving an indicator for when someone has DS so you don't have to play around a perk that isn't even there, or taking the stun unnecessarily by assuming they're bluffing.