You shouldn't be able to SWF if they're red ranks and you're level 20. PERIOD.

They changed it so that matchmaking is based on the highest rank in the squad, then sneakily changed it back, although the people who do this type of thing noticed

How about we fix matchmaking so it ranks based off of the highest person in the group (as it used to be but apparently isn't now if my experiences are anything to go by??) and allow people to continue playing with their friends?

My friend used to be a red rank survivor- rank 1. He was how I learned to play the game. I could only do this because of the lack of cap and without him I probably wouldn't have kept playing. He's now rank 20 due to reset and not playing and I'm the rank 1. If he were to come back, he can just jump straight into a queue with me because we both know what we're doing and can have fun.

All they have to do is have matchmaking actually function. You shouldn't be punished for playing with friends and, furthermore, ranks are not an accurate depiction of skill.

Okay, first of all, if killers weren't so tilted by teabagging, survivors wouldn't do it.

Now, on to your other point. I've been playing a lot of killer lately to get the challenges done and I'm in the 16-18 range. I ALWAYS have purple ranks in my games. Literally always, and sometimes there are also red ranks. It certainly seems SWF with a couple people running Borrowed, a flashlight, and For The People. Being a solo survivor, those things are very rare to see. Definitely not in one game.

Sometimes I get messages after the games from rank 5 survivors who escaped saying "LMAO NO WONDER UR A 17." I'm a level 17 because I'm a solo survivor who only plays killer for the challenges, and I've never felt so insecure and sad that I need to taunt someone who I never should have played against in the first place. I did message a level 18 killer who DC'ed last night and I said something like, 'unfair match making, I get that too when I play killer, GGs,' and he told me he reported me for harassment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I personally don't think SWF is the problem, it's match making. Level 18-20 SWFs against a level 18-20 killer is going to be very different than two purples and two noobs vs a noob killer.

For the most part, I agree. In my case, I'm a rank 5 survivor, and have very recently had quite a few friends start playing dbd, so when I play with them I tend to play against newer killers. Because of that I usually use pretty random perk builds just for fun and try to take it easy on the killer, sometimes let them kill me and stuff.

The reason I can't fully agree is that if I wasn't playing with one of my friends who just got into it, he told me he probably wouldn't have even tried to understand the game and just quit playing. So I think it does help keep new survivors playing, I just wish more players would be a little nicer to new killers when they know they're quite obviously able to beat them

This is literally the dumbest possible reply. If we didn't complain about this ######### it wouldn't be on the devs ######### radar. You know how long it takes them to get what we say. How long did it take them to change moris? How long did it take map infinite to be removed? All the "whining* made that ######### happen. So don't come here bitching that we want this fixed.

I think the better option would be to rank based on group size

2 players = ranked between both members of the group

3 players = ranked for the top player + a little leniency for lower ranked killers

4 players = ranked for the top player + ranked slightly higher (rank 2 ranked as if rank 1 and so on) so basically a rank 2 and 3 rank 20s would average rank 1 killers (if queue times were instant for both sides so basically in a perfect world we will never have)

This probably helps because you can still bring a new friend into a game and not have them hammered, but you can't bring 3 smurfs and a main to bully low rank killers and the 2 player new friend experience stays roughly the same

Ranks generally just need to matter more, in terms of how players get matched up. Cross-play was supposed to help fix this problem.

I'd like to see them test something like this: All survivors should be within one color band of the killer in either direction, no exception. Survivors cannot form parties unless they are within one color band of each other, no exception. I can see issues with implementing this, but I'd like to see them take a stab at it.

They can and they should.

The only thing is, the rank 20 should just take the damage and be matched against a red rank killer.

Is it fun for the survivor?

Nah probably not, but it's a risk you take when you go in with red rank friends.

But it is way more fair for the killer, instead of 3 red rank survivors vs an unexperienced killer.

hell if you've only 50 hours in the game and you're already rank 10, that means either you yourself got carried or you have learned a great deal in a short amount of time. when I was at 50 hours I was still unable to hit the old DS/overcharge/ruin skill checks for the life of me. so you are obviously the better player why not let you face those better killers so you can learn more. You might think about what and how you said this because it came off as if you were bragging being a rank 11-13 in 50 hours. when I started playing oct 2018, there were many things different and it made learning hard. I didn't see green ranks even when I was swfing with purple and red ranks till about 200 hours in on survivor and killer that took a while to get out of the brown ranks.

match making is your rank with a range of 6 on either side of yours. And if you wait a while it WILL open that window up to 7 or more ranks on either side of yours! so facing groups with 1-3's like you suggest, it's not hard to see that it might do that.

They tried that and it broke matchmaking for a while I've continued to say this because it is what they themselves said and they reverted it back.

It's odd- from my experience as killer that's the case, as I'm out here getting 3 rank 2s and a rank 17, but as survivor it's the opposite. Idk if its just solo matchmaking being ######### and giving me 2 rank 19s and a rank 9 (rank 1) vs a rank 10 killer or what but something isn't quite right here. Should've specified, that was my bad.

Yes, this is something I also get. Like here:

This was on Rank Reset-Day this month. Funny thing is, if the Killer and the Survivors are on different Platforms, it will look like a SWF for the Killer. The Rank 18s were also real Rank 18s and they played like that.

IMO this Matchmaking isnt even that bad, because the Killer has two Survivors to capitalize on and two who are more experienced than him. So it somewhat evens out, but it should not happen.

But whenever I get this, the Killer and the other Survivors are Console-Players. I can only imagine that the Killer and the Survivors waited already pretty long (they are low ranks and due to the small Rank Reset the lower Ranks get thinner) and then the Matchmaker threw together this Lobby.

You've just broken your own argument. For a new player learning the ropes takes a short enough time so that if there was a restriction let's say 20-14 cannot play with ranks ones full stop then all they have to do is play and learn the basics before being able to do matches with experienced players. It ain't hard and wouldn't be an issue for players willing to the put the effort in to learn so not only can they play with friends but also be useful on the team. The game is competitive and therefore should be treated as so until there's a causal mode added.

Course that solution ain't great by any means. Imo the whole rank system should be scrapped since it barely functions half the time and replaced with somthing all around better. But that would take effort from the devs.

I didn't say the infinites fix was the same level of difficulty so their your flat out wrong, I actually used it to show that the devs have a history with taking far too long to change really simple things so for somthing this important which is complicated to fix we should be vocal and get the point across to get a decent solution but also keep it talked about.

In conclusion I called your argument stupid or dumb because it was unfounded and simply had no strong point. It be much more helpful if you actually gave an idea of how they could fix the system instead of trying to invalidate someones genuine concerns by calling it "whining". Also idc if you know the English language as you can tell so do I and?

Lol you got me wrong, I am rank 10 as killer complaining about having high ranks surv, this is another broken side of the rank system, you can get high rank in killer fast in few games while getting high ranks in surv is much more difficult and requires much more matches which makes the rank 4 surv much more experienced than the rank 4 killer and yet in most of my matches the surv are higher rank than the killer which is much much stupid, now if you can tell how many times I said much in this very much long comment you get a much much blessings from me

Lmao from 16 to 4!, I got to rank 16 with 15h or so, before you say I am bragging or something, I used to watch streams of the fame before someone finally gifted it to me, but still 15h playing vs top players!

you are totally misunderstanding what i was saying. I said that a rank 10 is matched in a window from rank 16 to rank 4! the number is plus or minus 6 ranks from the rank of the killer, and supposedly from the average of the swf. I'm not talking about getting from rank 16 to 4 in a quick time i was talking about the matching window.

They explicitly use a lower rank survivor account to get lower rank killers. That is exploiting. The problem is the proof, and even if they admit to it in the postgame chat, noone cares.

Eh, honestly it shouldn't be that difficult. It's not like matchmaking/ranking systems are some brand new frontier where there are no tried-and-true designs for BHVR to build off of, I just think the problem comes down to the # of players. The more complex the matching system and the more filters and variables it has to take into account, then the more necessary it becomes to have a larger and larger playerbase in order to keep the average queue times at an acceptable duration.

DBD is 4 years old...what's left of the playerbase consists of the dedicated multi-thousand-hour+ veterans, and noobies arriving via the recent addition to Xbox GamePass (me) or other platforms due to holiday discounts. The queue times are already lengthy when I want to play Survivor (never less than ~7 minutes in my timezone, PST), while Killer is never more than 20 seconds, and this is all with a barebones matching system that clearly just takes the average Survivor team rank and tries to find a close ranking Killer, but even then it rarely comes close to even that because there are just so few varied choices (in my experience).