http://dbd.game/killswitch
Anyone else want all of the statistics the devs have on the game?
If we were able to see the kill and survival rate of all killers, of all ranks, and of all perks, with info on DC's and first hook deaths for each of those parameters. then we'd be able to see what changes are actually justified, and which are not.
There is no particular reason they shouldn't be able to show the info to us. I'm aware it would take a while to set up global tracker for that. But it would be worth it.
As I said in another guy's thread that was deleted (for whatever reason), I'm tired of taking one guy's word for it when it comes to balance decisions. I want to see the dirty details that can either back up, or debunk the reasons for a nerf or buff.
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Nope, no statistics please.
People will either use them as complete evidence for their points or completely deny their existence and make up reasons why they should not be true.
First batch of statistics was not divided between Ranks. Then people claimed they are not true because no Red Ranks are present. Next batch had Red Ranks and all Ranks separated and still people made up reasons why those statistics cannot be true.
Statistics might be a nice thing, but I feel the DBD-Community is not really able to work with those statistics.
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Agreed. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread also got taken down lmao.
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The other thread that got taken down wasn't mine, should have clarified that.
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Have to agree with @Aven_Fallen. The stats are already being touted incorrectly by the Devs, let alone the player base. They are also highly skewed (Freddy with a huge Kill rate isn't taking into account people just give up versus anti-fun add-ons.)
Stats have their place but they are being heavily overused when this game has way too many variables.
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Not really. It won’t change anything in my life.
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No, but that thread was mine lol
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There'd be no harm in seeing them so why not?
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Stats are facts, Stats are not balance. The stats that show nurse having the lowest kill rates is simply stating a fact. It's when people decide to extrapolate that data to support their opinion that things go wrong. You can't simply buff Nurse just because the average Nurse player plays poorly. However, Freddy having a 74 percent kill rate at red ranks is unacceptable. Even if that kill rate is due to survivors committing suicide, that's still an indicator that something is wrong. It's also worth noting that if the goal of balance is to have a 50 percent escape rate across all ranks, then by definition the game is killer sided because globally the escape rate is 56 percent (as of the date when the stats were released) And changes need to be applied to all killers to get that to line up with a proper 50 percent escape rate for survivors.
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It would be useless. But i would want to know my own stats.
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Which anti-fun addons? The slowdown addons got nerfed. They are only 2% and 4%. And the purple has max 8% slowdown.
They are no bad addons but they make no much of a difference.
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This is a killer forum, and they don’t want stats because they are overpowered, and they know devs don’t want 2k on average
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Like I said, Stats have their place. Giving them to players is irrelevant and will simply cause confusion and spread of misinformation.
What would showing players stats on everything actually do, in your opinion?
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I think you are forgetting it stacks with Thata and Dying Light; a common perk combo for Freddy.
I am not going to hunt down the numbers but this has been discussed in depth by many people. It's not an opinion, it is fact.
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For me, stats are my way of breaking out of group think. It's easy to get caught up in group think and with stats I personally have to evaluate my opinions against those stats. Should I have them or do I need them, no. Do I want them, very much yes.
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That is fair. And I understand you wanting them for your personal info.
The danger is many people might look at stats and jump to conclusions. I say again, they have their use and it is a good overview of the current situation.
But there are a lot of variables. Escaping through gates, hatch. hatch w/ key? Killing by hooking, bleeding out, PH cages, Mori's, suiciding on hook or just good ol' fashion DC. These can all be considered "kills" but it would be inaccurate at the very least and affects their desired 50/50 Kill/Escape ratio.
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I love stats so the more I see the merrier.
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I feel that each of those items are what I would consider flaws in the game. If these are muddying stats then they need to be resolved so that we can get a better more clear understanding of balance.
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One of the major issues with rank stats is the fact that most everyone is funneled into red ranks. Making it a hodge podge of different skill levels, when really it should only be the top players there. Not the only the top 1% mind you, but people should have to earn their place in red ranks with skill, not playtime.
Sadly ranking most likely isn't going to be fixed because of MMR. Yet another hidden stat , one that dictates the people we're matchmade with. So ranks will only be there to look cool.
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I agree, but again these are the stats that we were shown. Internally the devs use a different statistic. They are able to determine each players most played killer (their main) and then divide each player according to their main, then select a percentage amount (1 percent for example) and then compare the kill percentage of each killer. I know this because there is a comment made in the forums using this exact query where the devs said that using this as a metric. Nurse is in the top 5 best performing killers.
The developers have the tools needed to come to valid conclusions that help them determine balance.
That being said, even if we're not give that level of information. I still feel that it's valuable to get these stats. I know for example, that even if I main nurse and even if I get her to red ranks, I'll probably still perform poorly, unless I put in the hours and become one of the best nurses in the game. Only then is there fruits to my labor, however, even if I get to be in the top 1 percent of the best nurse in DBD. There are still 4 other killers that out perform her. I don't know who they are, but if I had to guess, I personally think they are Freddy, Spirit, Hag, and Oni. That's not to say that Nurse is weak, but I personally think that Nurse is a bit too hyped, but still plenty powerful.
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Not really, its a fact that people hate to see a red progress bar and stop repairing. Ruin undying is stronger then a 2 perk 2 addon combo with so many conditions.
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This community is driven by feelings and emotional reactions.
We are not mature enough to receive stats as it has been proven time and time again.
I don't remember the forum post but someone was criticizing almo on one of the previous devs streams because they said the way he was answering questions was not entertaining or whatever(i don't remember the exact wording). This is an example of why we can't have nice things.
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Community: WE WANT STATS NOW
*Devs release stats that does fit the narrative the community wants to hear*
Community:
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I trust the devs for their reason to not release the stats if this is what they think is better for the game. The last time they released kill rates nurse was the worst performing killer and pig was the best and i really don't want the community pushing for changes or picking perks/killers based on stats, as I think we would see even less variety. I'm sure that there are meta perks that have low win rates and obscure perks that have really high ones.
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it wouldnt matter. it's obvious the stats they've already released are lies. remember a few months ago, they claimed on stream that Lithe is more common than DS, BT and the other meta perks. which is so obviously false it's a joke.
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I would very much like to see complete statistics of this game. But then, i can actually interpret and corolate data in such statistics.
if i were a dev, i would not give this community those said stats, because a great portion of it have proven several times that they dont.
Also, even if more details are given, people still missinterpret those data (maybe even on purpose, i dont know) so yes, there is harm in giving out that data to everyone.
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