Fixed Mori's, but left keys

Multiple hatches spawn.

As keys are used on the wrong hatch, when the hatch opens, the entity’s tentacle pierces the survivor and they must free themselves (similar to a bear trap escape). If the survivor successfully frees themself, the tentacle remains, protruding from the hatch while the survivors must then seek out another hatch.

Injured survivors managing to free themself will be placed into the dying state.

Killer receives notification of the pierced survivor’s location.

Moris were the bigger problem and the fix required no major under the hood changes. It's been like a month.

I agree. If survivors went key happy then killers wouldn't want to play anymore.

Although we could also just be giving the devs too much credit. Who knows.

If you don't feel Moris were an issue in the game I struggle to see how you'd consider keys an issue either. They're used much less frequently than Moris.

The economic argument doesn't make sense either, because the game would die if Behaviour only catered to survivors. They have a massive economic incentive for the game to be balanced and fun for both sides.

1.0.0 was absurdly survivor sided and the game has gradually gotten more balanced since then.

I have typed this same response like 10 times in various threads so I'm not getting all the way into it now. Bullet points:

* Moris are basically a guaranteed 3K + hatch or 4k if matchmaking is fair. Keys most commonly let one person escape if they're able to be used at all. They are often useless.

* Keys allow matches to play out normally until the hatch spawns. Moris send the game into a death spiral.

* Moris had no counters. Keys are visible in the lobby, meaning you can easily bring Franklins, a Mori, etc. to counter them or you can just leave the lobby if you don't want to play against them.

* Most importantly, Moris are an OFFERING. Given their slot and rarity, they should be roughly as strong as things like Murky Reagents, Salty Lips, or Putrid/Petrified Oaks. These have niche effects and usually make very little impact on the game. This is exactly why the Mori nerf was appropriate. Meanwhile, keys are an ITEM. Given their slot and rarity, keys should be on par with things like Ranger Medkits, Commodius Toolboxes, Rainbow Maps, and Utility Flashlights. These have strong effects than can make a big impact on the game, and their add-ons can make their base effects even stronger.

They said they’ll be reworking both moris and keys. They’re done with moris and now keys are next. Be patient.

I agree with that. Although I do think it's still better than if the devs came out and said "Mid Chapter we're changing keys".

Whether 68% is actually a perfect number isn't really the point though, since it's substantially higher than 50%. 50% intuitively feels balanced and the devs have also said they consider 50% to be perfectly balanced. So long as 68% is in the right ballpark, then, it's enough to suggest that the game is not survivor sided right now. I think the kill rates could actually be a bit inflated, since survivors should suffer more from uneven matchmaking. That's because even one potato on a team of four is enough to torpedo the team, and the odds of finding four players without one potato are very likely lower than the odds of finding a good killer. I think survivors will perform a bit better at high rank when MMR comes out, then, but still, there's a massive difference between 68% and 40% and I feel that's way too much to be explained by wonky matchmaking, Moris, and the like. The number at all ranks is 56%, which is a ~5% lower than the last stats drop, but which is still comfortably north of 50%. The ~68% number at red ranks is pretty much the same as the number from last year.

Hi, I copy and pasted this from another post I replied to and I believe this could be a solution. I think first they should change the appearance of the broken keys and rainbow keys. I like to bring broken keys to see the obsession sometimes and instead, I end up getting tunneled into oblivion. They should make the keys to where the killer gets an alert to when you're opening the hatch while the game is still going if all the gens haven't been finished but only if there is more than one survivor. Also if they open it in the middle of a game let there be a timeframe that it stays open before it closes depends on how much time u want. maybe like 20 seconds or less and then it closes again and it goes like normal except nobody can open with a key again and they have to wait until everyone is dead except one person or two people leave through the exit gate and that person goes through the hatch when it opens. So if they are playing an SWF they open the hatch and their friends cant find it they can't escape and it would still allow for the 4 escape achievement there is just a timeframe for them to escape. 20 or fewer seconds and then the SWF would suffer from losing a teammate because they weren't able to find the hatch also as the killer if u find the hatch u can close it further preventing anyone from escaping. extra solution this should only be for SWF though (If the survivors open the hatch when all the gens are done then endgame collapse starts but the hatch doesn't have a time limit though but you can find and close it).

So you really comparing an offering that allow killing on the first minute to an item that allow a second escape once enough gen are down ( or players killed ) ?

the MORI is linked to an achievement and now it is almost next to impossible to get unless you're going against memers or newbies and you aren't a newbie yourself (In a public match, kill 4 survivors in a single match: named: Blood on our face) this requires the use of the ebony mori, and unless you are very much better than the team you are against now you will not get all 4 kills like that. sure it's possible to get but unlikely to happen much anymore. same with keys, set it to 0 open time, and it requires all people to go through the hatch for the whodini challenge, but that achievement does not state how may keys need to be used. and it can happen.

Not hard, at all. You can even do it with DH at Rank 1. Stop pretending most matches are against swat teams. I've never got the "Where'd They Go" achievement cause that's actually almost impossible as a solo.

Funny, I can get 4K's with Wraith at Rank 1 with Overcharge being my only gen related perk. You do realize a strong counter to DS is not tunneling? And a strong counter to Unbreakable is not slugging? I think you need to play killer more to understand the basics. Usually the ones who are trying to do it to rub it in your face end up causing their team to slow down on gens as their buddies are nearby in case something goes wrong.

I'm soooooo glad you are able to do it so proficiently. I don't always get that luxury as I'm not the best at the game. so stop thinking everyone plays as good as you. I didn't make any comments about swf in my post, I made logicial conclusions based upon observed and experienced outcomes. and with a 0 open time hatch with a key it is still possible to get to get the achievement for the hatch, so any more arguments about me making assumptions?

They could nerf keys into the ground too, easily if they wanted. Survivors alive above 1? Hatch only spawns when gates are powered. Now you can only get multiple people out by doing the objective. There. Lazy change that nerfs keys and would only require a numbers change to hatch spawn. It's easy to implement a lazy change, you think they couldn't have taken their time with moris and given it something better? Quit eating up their excuses.

I guess you didn't read my post and restated almost everything I stated. is that your argument? to co-opt my words and ideas? wow.

Making the hatch only spawn when only one survivor is left or all generators are done solves all the problems, leaves the achievement untouched and is a simple number change just like mories were

It's not a logistical problem

Not sure I follow your point here as the hatch already spawns when only 1 survivor is left. The part which killers aren't happy with is that a key means they can escape from the match earlier while the killer is still trying to apply pressure. Changing the numbers or the condition that the hatch spawns under doesn't fix the fundamental grievance which is one key can completely derail the game. The fairest way to fix the issue would probably be to try and get the achievement pulled from steam and then re-design the way keys work to either be a per survivor use or at least having an unlock bar.

Don’t forget they’re nerfing undying to which will most likely come out first