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PS4 - Number of players dropped (observation)

rafajsp
rafajsp Member Posts: 475
edited October 2018 in General Discussions

I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.
I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.
Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).
We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.
Reasons players get away:

  • Pallet nerf
  • Healing nerf
  • Vault nerf
  • Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)
    Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."

Comments

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @DRAGOON said:
    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    Yeah, i'm still addicted and a fan.
    I feel very sad when i realize the game will be dead someday, because it runs so poor.
    Things like i pointed make new players never look back to the game. If i were new getting PS+ i would do for sure, cuz the experience is not that good since 2.0.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @DRAGOON said:
    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    Yeah, i got RDR2.
    I already downloaded it (92 gb) and eally hyped for gameplay.
    I love DBD, but i just searching for a game to replace the fun i had with it. Since i find, don't know if i ever came back.

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    rafajsp said:

    I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.
    I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.
    Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).
    We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.
    Reasons players get away:

    • Pallet nerf
    • Healing nerf
    • Vault nerf
    • Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)
      Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."
    Coming from a fellow PS4 player, I can say that the pallette changes combined with the FPS issues are not fun to take part in. The game is just dying period. The only time their numbers will be high on console is when they release new chapters, but that's just my opinion.
  • redsopine1
    redsopine1 Member Posts: 1,437
    I know the feeling but what's worse is the event seems to have brought out all the players that tunnel I mean if all 5 pull out petals the least the killer could do is leave people be on a plant unless there being dicks
  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.

    I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.

    Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).

    We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.

    Reasons players get away:


    * Pallet nerf
    * Healing nerf
    * Vault nerf
    * Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)

    Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."

    Coming from a fellow PS4 player, I can say that the pallette changes combined with the FPS issues are not fun to take part in. The game is just dying period. The only time their numbers will be high on console is when they release new chapters, but that's just my opinion.

    Yeah, i have the feeling the game is dying too.
    Well, if you don't care about your product, people go find another product.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @DRAGOON said:
    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    Castlevania Symphony of the Night being released for PS4 in 30+ hours and RE2 remake in January. Too many options, Long que time, burnout, salty players on both sides, etc. It is hard to keep a player base and that isn't including the mentioned changes.

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    fcc2014 said:

    @DRAGOON said:
    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    Castlevania Symphony of the Night being released for PS4 in 30+ hours and RE2 remake in January. Too many options, Long que time, burnout, salty players on both sides, etc. It is hard to keep a player base and that isn't including the mentioned changes.

    Very true.
  • Dwight_Confusion
    Dwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,650

    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    Many factors not just nerfs and buffs. It is a terrible grind and requires a large commitment.

  • Dwight_Confusion
    Dwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,650

    @fcc2014 said:

    @Dwight_Confusion said:
    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    Many factors not just nerfs and buffs. It is a terrible grind and requires a large commitment.

    I can see that I guess. They've fixed a lot of problems and while SWF is strong, if a killer comes across a pair (2 swf) and 2 solos... or 4 solos, the game is balanced.

    It's still really hard against 3 and 4 swf tryhards. The grind is fun and cool I think, but the rewards aren't that good. That is my current issue.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @rafajsp said:
    I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.
    I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.
    Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).
    We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.
    Reasons players get away:

    • Pallet nerf
    • Healing nerf
    • Vault nerf
    • Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)
      Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."

    FPS is the same as before for me.

    As survivor I barely see a difference except that some of the broken loops are closed now

  • PhantomMask20763
    PhantomMask20763 Member Posts: 5,176
    I play on ps4 too and I have been noticing a decline in players. I love the game but que times are WAY too long now for killer. It takes almost 10 minutes just to find a match. Worst part is I'm at rank 4 right now and normally I'm at rank 1, but at those ranks its nothing but long que times. I might end up moving to PC. Theres a larger player base there and the fps isnt messed up. I just need a good gaming computer :cry:
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623

    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    @Dwight_Confusion So people that leave because of FPS are asking to "Survive"? Because I'm pretty sure we're just asking for a smooth running game. Not to mention the pallette & vault changes add to the injury. You must be a PC player trying to speak for us Console players which you have no right in doing. If you are a console player then lucky you, you don't suffer from the bs frame drops and staggers.
  • apropos
    apropos Member Posts: 245
    edited October 2018

    He's said in the past that he plays console. Also, I don't know if he is a killer main, but I dont experience much fps issues as killer. Maybe some weird lag spikes when I get right next to a player. However, I notice that I experience a ton of fps issues when I play late at night as a survivor; i always think the killer (host) is overseas or something.

    What sucks about the P2P model is that not a lot of people have their routers optimized for these kinds of interactions. It doesn't help that ISPs often like to throttle P2P traffic.

    As a side note, a lot of players might be taking a break after grinding out the costumes. I know that I've been burning out a bit trying to get all of my vials.

  • DRAGOON
    DRAGOON Member Posts: 126

    @PhantomMask20763 said:
    I play on ps4 too and I have been noticing a decline in players. I love the game but que times are WAY too long now for killer. It takes almost 10 minutes just to find a match. Worst part is I'm at rank 4 right now and normally I'm at rank 1, but at those ranks its nothing but long que times. I might end up moving to PC. Theres a larger player base there and the fps isnt messed up. I just need a good gaming computer :cry:

    Red rank queues have generally always been bad, Its an issue all platforms are having, not PS4 specific. Its even worse now with the event since it requires you to play both roles for vials, its speculated that there are more people playing killer because of this.

  • DocFabron
    DocFabron Member Posts: 2,410
    DRAGOON said:

    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    I know I'm gonna be playing the hell out of RDR 2. I preordered the Ultimate Edition on disc and am patiently waiting for it. I'll still make some time for DbD but 90% of my game time is going to RDR 2 after Friday.
  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671

    Those nerfs were ABSOLUTELY needed for the health of the game and it STILL needs quite a bit more.

  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    For me as soon as i get my killer vials, i'm done till the next chapter.

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    fcc2014 said:

    For me as soon as i get my killer vials, i'm done till the next chapter.

    @fcc2014 same. 
  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @Master said:

    @rafajsp said:
    I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.
    I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.
    Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).
    We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.
    Reasons players get away:

    • Pallet nerf
    • Healing nerf
    • Vault nerf
    • Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)
      Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."

    FPS is the same as before for me.

    As survivor I barely see a difference except that some of the broken loops are closed now

    Play with new killer skins and reply this same sentence.
    Well, i feel worst fps, maybe its me only.

  • Markness
    Markness Member Posts: 242

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @Markness said:
    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:
    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.
  • Dwight_Confusion
    Dwight_Confusion Member Posts: 1,650

    @Michiko said:
    Dwight_Confusion said:

    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    @Dwight_Confusion So people that leave because of FPS are asking to "Survive"? Because I'm pretty sure we're just asking for a smooth running game. Not to mention the pallette & vault changes add to the injury. You must be a PC player trying to speak for us Console players which you have no right in doing. If you are a console player then lucky you, you don't suffer from the bs frame drops and staggers.

    I'm actually a console player. And I get some irritating frame issues at times... but hey life goes on.

    I can't stand the PC elitism that goes on sometimes. So you're very wrong.

    Survivor FPS is fine. It's probably around 25-30 or so mostly.

    Killer FPS at times can get to the 15 range. Or with Doctor its like 20.

    THis game should run at 30 FPS at least. I'm not even asking for soemthing crazy, but 30 fps should be a given in today's world.

    THe PS4 isn't a computer, I get that, but its not a weak machine either.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.

  • Markness
    Markness Member Posts: 242

    @rafajsp said:

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.

    90 percent of the dumb feedback on this forum comes from console players with less than 100 hours in the game and are probably sitting at rank 15, that probably got the game for free.

    BHVR has demonstrated that they have the critical thinking skills of a canary when it comes to balancing as they take into consideration the opinions of people that know nothing of the game and do not care to improve themselves and instead demand an easier experience at the expense of good players that have played the game for a long time, have put in the most money into this game, and deal with the BS balancing decisions that come out.

    If BHVR balanced the game based off of the rank 15 console players every killer would be at freddy-tier. So yes, you console players should not be permitted to post on the forums as you lack the experience and game knowledge to make game balance demands. Everything dumb I have read over the course of this event has come from console players.

  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    The playerbase is still growing especially on console... ain't no one leaving because of the small changes that have happened its actually the opposite 
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    edited October 2018
    Markness said:

    @rafajsp said:

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.

    90 percent of the dumb feedback on this forum comes from console players with less than 100 hours in the game and are probably sitting at rank 15, that probably got the game for free.

    BHVR has demonstrated that they have the critical thinking skills of a canary when it comes to balancing as they take into consideration the opinions of people that know nothing of the game and do not care to improve themselves and instead demand an easier experience at the expense of good players that have played the game for a long time, have put in the most money into this game, and deal with the BS balancing decisions that come out.

    If BHVR balanced the game based off of the rank 15 console players every killer would be at freddy-tier. So yes, you console players should not be permitted to post on the forums as you lack the experience and game knowledge to make game balance demands. Everything dumb I have read over the course of this event has come from console players.

    @Markness So because you read all the negative topics on this forums by console players which, if I may remind you is completely your decision, you decide to come up with this very illogical percentage of "people who post dumb feedback from console with less than 100 hrs" (which I'm pretty sure you don't have the ability to look into their stats to know that they have less than 100hrs, to but lets just go by your word because you threw big shiny numbers into your false accusation) that brings you to the childish conclusion that no console player should be able to post on forums? Yup, after this event, I'm definitely running as far away from this game as I can get. This community is disgusting. 

    (P.S. platform doesn't determine if a topic is "dumb feedback." Everybody has the right to post their experiences/feedback PC or Console. If you don't like that then get off forums)
  • Gamzello
    Gamzello Member Posts: 828

    Honestly I'm still playing even with all of the nerfs added. I'm a survivor main who occasionally plays killer but I still have a lot of fun (most of the time) playing this game.

    Still really love this game still after 4 months of getting it! Trying to learn how to use dead hard properly.

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623

    @Michiko said:
    Dwight_Confusion said:

    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    @Dwight_Confusion So people that leave because of FPS are asking to "Survive"? Because I'm pretty sure we're just asking for a smooth running game. Not to mention the pallette & vault changes add to the injury. You must be a PC player trying to speak for us Console players which you have no right in doing. If you are a console player then lucky you, you don't suffer from the bs frame drops and staggers.

    I'm actually a console player. And I get some irritating frame issues at times... but hey life goes on.

    I can't stand the PC elitism that goes on sometimes. So you're very wrong.

    Survivor FPS is fine. It's probably around 25-30 or so mostly.

    Killer FPS at times can get to the 15 range. Or with Doctor its like 20.

    THis game should run at 30 FPS at least. I'm not even asking for soemthing crazy, but 30 fps should be a given in today's world.

    THe PS4 isn't a computer, I get that, but its not a weak machine either.

    @Dwight_Confusion You're right, its not a computer, buts it also not a rock. FPS isn't something you can just deal with when playing, especially in first person. Nobody is asking for free survival, just less frame drops. I heard they're implementing a patch to fix it soon.
  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    I play on ps4 too and I have been noticing a decline in players. I love the game but que times are WAY too long now for killer. It takes almost 10 minutes just to find a match. Worst part is I'm at rank 4 right now and normally I'm at rank 1, but at those ranks its nothing but long que times. I might end up moving to PC. Theres a larger player base there and the fps isnt messed up. I just need a good gaming computer :cry:


    FFS.... the playerbase isnt dropping... you're at rank 4 if ya haven't noticed hardly any survivors are pipping because of the event they only care about the nectar and bp that comes with it..... the playerbase is growing.....even on steam 🙄
  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388
    Michiko said:
    fcc2014 said:

    For me as soon as i get my killer vials, i'm done till the next chapter.

    @fcc2014 same. 
    If you wanna be social with me @chemical_reject and @NoxiousOnnyyxx i suggested get uno and fibagge. We can chat and play fibagge up to 8 can play and uno is 4.
  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388
    Markness said:

    Console players should not be rafajsp said:

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.


    allowed to post on the forums.

    Oh i thought it was because we have ps4 exclusive games that his salty ass can't get but could be fretado also.
  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    @DRAGOON said:
    the PS+ players who got the game for free have moved on to playing black ops 4 or went back to playing fortnite. also, Red dead redemption 2 is coming out in a few days, except even less players. die-hard fans like me will continue to play this game, nerfs and horrid FPS and all.

    Yes this. On Xbox most of my friends have moved on to black ops. Has nothing to do with the event and everything to do with CoD, and soon to be RDR2.

  • Terrortot
    Terrortot Member Posts: 423

    The game is on sale currently.

    THe game was free for 30 days to any legitimate gamer that pays for PS+

    The game is good and very very close to being balanced.

    If people are leaving over the observations you listed... good.

    This isn't called "Survive by Daylight".

    ;)

    Yea, no.  The fps issues are a huge turnaway. I know optimizations are coming, others that dont read forums have no clue.

    Game may be free, but ps+ is not, so that "free game" is sonys awkward way of saying thanks for the subs.

    Its hard to get invested in a game if you have to deal with toxic culture and fps hits that make you miss obvious hits.

    Plus console players differ from pc players, in that its fun right then on our couches, dont really have 20 minutes to wait for one game.

    I personally love dbd, but with the event issues im playing mtga atm. Get burned out on survivor games, and the few times i waited out the 20 minutes, the games werent worth the queues, that can be said about dbd in general right now on all platforms.


  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475
    edited October 2018

    @Markness said:

    @rafajsp said:

    @Michiko said:
    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:

    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.

    Yeah ? Why ?

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.

    90 percent of the dumb feedback on this forum comes from console players with less than 100 hours in the game and are probably sitting at rank 15, that probably got the game for free.

    BHVR has demonstrated that they have the critical thinking skills of a canary when it comes to balancing as they take into consideration the opinions of people that know nothing of the game and do not care to improve themselves and instead demand an easier experience at the expense of good players that have played the game for a long time, have put in the most money into this game, and deal with the BS balancing decisions that come out.

    If BHVR balanced the game based off of the rank 15 console players every killer would be at freddy-tier. So yes, you console players should not be permitted to post on the forums as you lack the experience and game knowledge to make game balance demands. Everything dumb I have read over the course of this event has come from console players.

    Your first comment was a dumb one dude.
    I am devotion 3, so not 100 hours exactly.
    And i spent a lot of money, even buying the game 3 times the money you paid on steam ...
    Go troll someone else.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475
    edited October 2018

    @fcc2014 said:
    Markness said:

    Console players should not be rafajsp said:


    @Michiko said:

    rafajsp said:

    @Markness said:
    
    Console players should not be allowed to post on the forums.
    
    
    
    Yeah ? Why ?
    

    @rafajsp perfect example of why people despise Dbd's community. He's a troll, don't feed him attention.

    I was just waiting him to tell we are plebs console players, like everyone seems to think.

    allowed to post on the forums.

    Oh i thought it was because we have ps4 exclusive games that his salty ass can't get but could be fretado also.

    Yeah, most PC players deserves to play console exclusives, i read it a lot.
    At the same time, some call console players plebs, and it does not make sense. At least for me ps4 is my option because i just want to play confortably and i got a laptop (not for game ofc). Also on ps4 almost 60 games, wich for sure could buy a superb high-end PC gamer.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200
    rafajsp said:

    @Master said:

    @rafajsp said:
    I'm noticed a huge drop on number of players on PS4.
    I know lot of people are playing killer, but everytime i get into killer, i find almost the same survivors again and again.
    Also, on my friends list, there are a lot of guys who don't play anymore or playing very rarely (even the hardcore ones).
    We always know BHVR don't care about console, so maybe this is deserved.
    Reasons players get away:

    • Pallet nerf
    • Healing nerf
    • Vault nerf
    • Event patch made FPS worse for Killers (playing with skins is like restarting the game every 5 matches)
      Ps.: I am a Killer main, before someone say "You are crying."

    FPS is the same as before for me.

    As survivor I barely see a difference except that some of the broken loops are closed now

    Play with new killer skins and reply this same sentence.
    Well, i feel worst fps, maybe its me only.

    I do play with the new skins, no fps difference for me, but optimization isn't good in general :lol:
  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    I don't think you can really make any judgement about the playerbase during an event like this. There are too many variables in effect.

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    Nobody really cares about the patch anymore. It'll drop even more soon as new games will come out

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @HellDescent said:
    Nobody really cares about the patch anymore. It'll drop even more soon as new games will come out

    Yeah, it's actually true.
    Almost a week without playing DBD (used to play almost everyday).
    Really love the game so much, but sadly i lost hope.

  • HellDescent
    HellDescent Member Posts: 4,883

    People are just not playing that much because new games are coming out. Cod, assassins creed, Rdr 2, soon Battlefield V. Once new chapter comes out they'll be back.

  • rafajsp
    rafajsp Member Posts: 475

    @HellDescent said:
    People are just not playing that much because new games are coming out. Cod, assassins creed, Rdr 2, soon Battlefield V. Once new chapter comes out they'll be back.

    Yeah, maybe.
    Honestly i'm not buying anymore. At least not untill they fix the console problems. It really irritating and the main reason i stop playing. RDR 2 is so smooth and with 10 times better graphs, WEIRD !