Actually nerf BBQ
I have seen soooo many posts about BBQ being too strong.
It isnt.
But thats not the point of this post.
The point is this:
If you actually nerf BBQ to a point it isnt played that much, survivors will go crazy.
Why?
because it will be replaced with a good perk, a better one. There are plenty of perks that are better then BBQ
+ It actually encourages a non camping playstyle.
So what happens if BBQ falls out of killers most played perks?
You will get camped more often.
You will die more often
So please nerf it. It will backfire :)
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I don’t even use BBQ much anymore, it’s a mediocre tracking perk and mainly there for blood points. Discordance or Whispers are far more reliable.
The only people who complain about this perk are people who don’t get into a locker against Bubba.
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That title actually had me for a moment considering I made a whole post on how it's not OP.
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I was just talking to my partner the other day about how I can't wait to finish my Killers so I can replace that perk with something stronger it actually weakens my builds.
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When I play survivor I have no issues with bbq. Besides there are multiple counters like hiding behind a gen, lockers and even just getting within 40m of the hook. You even have perks to hide your aura so I doubt it will be nerfed with all this to deal with going against it.
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The only issue I have with BBQ is how whoever I am grouped with never use the counters against it. It just makes me hate survivors more than it does killers.
If the developers do lose their minds and nerf it, I really think killers would either quit out of spite or choose to just camp the first hook much more often out of spite.
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Well, i´d expect a flood of "do something about camping" threads.
Like a ton of them.
Oh and a lot of "nerf insidious bubba" threads.
Because, reasons.
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If they nerf BBQ before nerfing Object, then I don’t know how anyone can say the devs aren’t survivor bias anymore.
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Please dont nerf BBQ i love my bloop points... oh your talking about the tracking, forgot it had that XD
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People think BBQ needs nerfing? I've just been using it for the bloodpoints...
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I haven't seen any posts about BBQ needing nerfing other than that one thread that was dumb and died... because it was dumb.
I've seen 4 threads of people adamantly defending how fair BBQ is for some odd reason however.
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I only use its aura when its 2 people left, even then I usually forget about it and just place traps,break gens etc during those 4 seconds anyway..... there's so many better perks people could use the reason its used is cause of its 100% more bloodpoints same reason WGLF for survivors, I've only managed to use it for its healing abilites was maybe 7games out of 100, 200% healing speed after unhooking that was an epic game let me pick up 3 people but not worth it tbh
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Why is it such a killer crutch? Just take it away for a patch cycle. See what happens. Sure there will be grief campers who will get gen down. Sorry but seems like a very viable perk. Hook one, know where others are. The bonus points claim is flimsy. It’s discussed a lot and it sure as heck shows up a LOT....
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The Devs themselves have stated they don't see "overused" perks as OP. When changing a perk, they usually don't care how much it's used. At least they said so.
If the Devs agreed with you, it would've been changed when Bubba was changed. It wasn't. So stop. These posts do nothing.
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Not using BBQ means killers' loadouts will be freed up for a much more useful perk. Perhaps something more annoying like Ruin, or more deadly like Devour Hope. Or, they could replace it with one of the much better tracking perks.
A Nurse's Calling to see when survivors are healing. That one's especially annoying on killer's with a small TR, it's difficult to know when it's safe to heal. Bitter Murmur shows the auras of survivors next to a gen each time a gen is completed, and it shows all the survivors' auras when the final gen pops. (At least BBQ rewards the killer for doing their job. Bitter Murmur rewards the killer with info for survivors doing their job.) Deerstalker for slugged survivors, which means the killer's going to slug the crap outta everyone. I hate those matches as survivor, they are infinitely boring. I'm All Ears, which can really prevent survivors from juking killers during a chase. Finally there are the gen perks, Discordance shows when 2+ survivors are working on a gen and Surveillance shows when survivors start work on a regressing generator.
Of all those, BBQ is almost the weakest tracking perk, only outdone possibly by Deerstalker which requires a slugging strat to be useful. BBQ requires the killer to do their job and hook survivors to get use out of it. It requires more effort to use than any of those other tracking perks and it has more counters.
BBQ is discussed a lot because new survivors like to target it as being OP. I'm not sure if survivors really believe that, though, as I just saw another thread where a survivor was saying Bloody Party Streamers and other Bloodpoint offerings shouldn't apply to killers, but all killer BP offerings should apply to survivors. It's kind of looking like survivors just want to take Bloodpoints away from killers out of spite, because I guess the killer queues are so overflowing with players that it wouldn't matter if there's even less incentive to play.
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Nah, I still want my BP. :-p
Admittedly, the calls for nerfs to BBQ are ridiculous. Clearly made by people that are new to the game that don't know any better.
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People are wanting bbq nerfed? Like, truly?
Just remove Killers at this point. Throw the whole game away.
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I have 4.000 hours and I saw b&c in almost 90% of matches. It’s with undying, ruin and tinkerer the meta perk. The other one is pgtw. Yes, I know killers say they only use it for the bps, but I use kindred and I can tell you perhaps in 1/50 matches the killer didn’t see anyone. And as I said so many times, it shouldn’t show the aura of survs in dying state.
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I swear you are absolutely oblivious to the grind which is why killers even ones that can't use it efficiently like Trapper or Plague run BBQ for the Blood points. You haven't responded to my evidence showing BBQ isn't OP. Must've realized you're wrong. And sorry you aren't good enough to somehow do the 4 counters to BBQ. By your logic we need to take away Decisive Strike because it's used so much.
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I said in another thread but here we go again. BBQ is not OP, it is overused due to how grindy the game is. If the extra BP tokens were tied to Monstrous Shrine killers would use it instead, just like survivors used WGLF when it had no extra benefits besides BP.
Until this issue is fixed, BBQ will continue being used by 80% of the killers. IMHO, allow players to sell items back to the entity at 50% rate.
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Did you read the discussion? The OP is saying that it isn't overpowered and it encourages anti-camping.
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Yep, and I agree with him. BBQ tracking provides a healthy playstyle for both sides and by no means its effects are OP in match. What I am saying is that if BBQ had no extra BP tokens attached, it would not enjoy its current usage.
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Every Killer running BBQ should immediately swap to NOED. :P
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edit should learn to read posts before I respond, assumed it was another demand to nerf something lmao
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Please dont discuss with him, its pointless.
BBQ is discussed a lot because new survivors like to target it as being OP. I'm not sure if survivors really believe that, though, as I just saw another thread where a survivor was saying Bloody Party Streamers and other Bloodpoint offerings shouldn't apply to killers, but all killer BP offerings should apply to survivors. It's kind of looking like survivors just want to take Bloodpoints away from killers out of spite, because I guess the killer queues are so overflowing with players that it wouldn't matter if there's even less incentive to play.
Is this thread really happen?
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lol if that happened I would load up on wraith for rift xp and take every swf lobby I suspected, maybe even look for some, hoping for at least one party streamer just to dc right as soon as the map fully loaded just to waste their streamer lmfao. I would rotate back and forth between steam and psn while watching tv to work around the dc timers until they got long enough to call it a day and try again in 24 hours until it came time to skip a day and let it reset early. they're killing their own game with their entitlements.
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Half the reason survivors get a lot of progress early game is because the killer uses bbq to find someone worth chasing or will chase the unhooker with a unsafe unhook because the stack from their hook is worth more than rehooking the survivor who got unhooked
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I would never condone this. Also, you'd have to give it a minute or so before disconnecting, because if you do it too quickly I think it counts as "match canceled" and will give them back their offering. I've had the game "match canceled" me after cleansing a totem and going on to start a gen.
Here's the thread:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/220169/lobby-wide-bp-offerings
It's not the first time this has been suggested, just the most recent.
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yeah that's usually because somebody lost connection or force dropped during loading, most likely during the offerings and it just took a while for it to catch up on the server. One match I killed a seemingly afk claudette, walked her to a hook, and as soon as she was hooked it caught up and cancelled the game lol. It doesn't seem to happen to me often though, but it's usually when somebody already got dropped during the loading. Since I play survivor now I usually seem to have it happen and show a dc icon next tot he killer's names. Probably didn't like something they saw in the lobby, like 3 pc players or something, or their spidey-sense was tingling all of a sudden. Or their pet tripped over their cords or ate them who knows. internet. internet. internet.
About the other thing, I was mostly joking as that would be a total waste of the time I could spend on a different game. But for those that would actually do it at least it would be providing a killer or a lobby rather than having them sitting in queue all night waiting for one which is what would eventually happen if enough killers got the memo off that sort of biased change in offerings and finally cut the cord with the game.
Usually even when I killed people when I saw a lot of bp stuff, I'd try to long chase and hit a lot and tried to let everybody get points btw when I was killer on my steam account. I did that a lot with the cakes thing earlier in the year especially. Even when people died they got at least 15k iirc. As long as they weren't lugging toolboxes and trying to get out asap or trying to troll me anyways. the teams that were deliberately trying to annoy me and give me a rough time got slugged and the last couple or few guys camped or slug camped since those behaviors some groups do are annoying as hell and don't deserve to be rewarded.
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Good lord...
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bbq helps a lot where to go after a hook and not waste time searching survivors but you can make a mistake following a survivor who is not doing anything while hiding the one who is about to finish an engine
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Dude, it’s obvious when someone has it the first time they use it. Get into a locker when they pickup the survivor and it does nothing. At any rank above 8 it’s good for 1 or 2 uses then everyone that isn’t braindead clues in.
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Newsflash, Kindred counters BBQ if you are so worried about it, along with lockers and other things that don't take up perk slots but you know NERRRRFFFFF rofl. I swear people who cry out over BBQ play the game like 30 min a week.
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who are you refering to?
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The people in general who cry out to the nerfing of a perfectly healthy game promoting perk. Not you as I noticed you had a very well stated and presented messaged.
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And by the way Get Good.
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We all know that Object is "fine", right? Because those stats tell the Devs it is.Those same stats which include the Object DCing or dying on their first hook because they got found first or couldn't bully the killer....
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The last thing we need is for more "good" killer perks to be nerfed, they need to think of the other side as well.
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it isn't OP because the view of auras are for 4 seconds and after that you don't know what is going on only a general area. the blood points are why most killers run bbq. I use it for the points and if i remember to look I might get an idea to go some where or stay where I am, the only possible op aspect is to know where three others are but if they are close by and i see nothing I have to decide did they all get into a locker or are they close by for the save? have to take a chance..... so no it isn't really op because it doesn't tell me where the survivors are, it gives a bit of info if i actually look. op? yea right. Object is so much more OP than bbq.... why? you can get 100% visual of where the killer is even when the killer isn't looking at you!
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How does Kindred counter BBQ?
BTW, if Distortion was buffed to unlimited then I would think BBQ would have a fair counter for aura reads and I would be totally OK for BBQ. As it stands, the aura reads are simply too helpful and tells Killers where to go instead of actually doing the job of hunting. It is called Effort. This perk is unfair on Freddy with slowgen perks.
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It can be helpful but I generally only use BBQ for bloodpoints (if I have it), but it's not a necessity.
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Anyone who complains about BBQ are probably newer players.
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I'll give you a reason WHY its a GOOD perk and WHY its a bad perk. Let's start with the bad. Idc if you a survivor is sitting in the corner of the map. Cool do you. Its pointless because I already know where survivors are. They are either near or at gens. I slug for the 4k so I dont need it to find them at the end. Now for why its a good perk. Blood points baby. Blood points are literally the only reason I use it. I actually do better without bbq in my load out because I replace it with a good perk but I like bloodpoints so I keep it on.
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