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Tunneling,camping,slugging, bullying. Let's clarify the definitions of these words
I've mentioned it before and I'll mention it again, this time in a forum!
Tunneling/camping/slugging/bullying have no clear definitions whatsoever, so I think that clarifying what those mean will result in a proper understanding of most situations. Let us begin.
Tunneling is intentionally targeting a tunneled survivor without caring about the unhooker or the people nearby. What that means, is that if you find only the unhooked person and down them, you basically had no choice but to do so. Let's call it "unintentional tunneling". But if you go back and find both the unhooker and the unhooked and prioritise the unhooked then it's considered tunneling.
Camping is when a killer is standing to a close radius of the hooked person for a long period of time, when they know they can leave the hook and be productive. This usually happens when the hooked survivor annoyed the killer in some way. Meaning that if a killer sees other survivors with bbq and decides to stay on hook, it is camping. But if the killer just finishes hooking and knows everyone is in that area waiting for the unhook, then there's no point to leave the hook. So the toxic behavior is camping, but situations like these aren't actually toxic. I'd call it "strategic placement" or "strategic camping"
Slugging is when a killer chooses to not hook a survivor. The definition is pretty clear tbf, most people know that, but I'd go a step further and say that slugging is when 2 or more people are on the dying state and the killer refuses to hook them. If it's one survivor I'd say they're simply applying pressure. But yeah, I suppose you can call one person being downed for a certain period of time slugging.
Bullying (the killer) is when survivors ignore their primary objective and decide to annoy the killer because they know they're better than them. I don't have an actual clear view of this, but I'd call it that it's the toxic effort to make the killer's game miserable for your own amusement.
Bullying (the survivor/s) bodyblocking a survivor in a spot to prevent them from moving and playing the game, slugging survivors and intentionally not picking them up in order to let them bleedout, and certain killers can bully more then others like Ghostface and pig who can teabag at survivors,( if its toxic for survivors to do it then killers shouldn't do it either), willingly working with survivors to gang up on and kill other survivors, and being hurtful and mean in the chat. (credit: @dspaceman20 ty for your feedback)
So, that's the definitions I give to these words. I'm not saying to write them on the "dbd constitution", I'm just saying that for the majority of the reasonable community, these are the definitions. Let me know if I am incorrect about any of these below, and if you want make your own definitions below.
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I would say, you nailed it. Seems pretty right on to me.
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I really hate being called a camper cause someone ran to hook and I saw them out the corner of my eye and looked for them
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Im sorry but i think you don't really understand what a term you try to define mean....
"Tunneling is intentionally targeting a tunneled survivor without caring about the unhooker or the people nearby. What that means, is that if you find only the unhooked person and down them, you basically had no choice but to do so. Let's call it "unintentional tunneling". But if you go back and find both the unhooker and the unhooked and prioritise the unhooked then it's considered tunneling."
WRONG, this had be define already, tunneling is getting out of your way as a killers to target 1 specific survivor, throwing the game by doing it (not applying pressure on the 3 other survivors doing gens). If you unhook a surv while the killer is still close enough to come back or not in chase with another surv is a unsafe unhook and of course the killer will go for the injured one 1rst, down him again and mostly slug him while chasing the other, thats call pressure and it'll be a dumb move to let the unhooked go heal/do gens (unless 5 gens remain or killer want to be very kind cause he feel that he face a nooby/weak team and don't need pressure atm). Its not the killer fault if your teamate farm hook, heal you under the hook or you want to use BT to mess with the killer.
For the rest, youre mostly right, there is a field of what camping can mean, what you define 1rst is call facecamping, its counter productive for killers and mostly new killer will do it (cause they want a kill at least), but yeah some salty/toxic killer use it cause if you face altruistic/noob survivors, it can be super effective. But there is also, proximity camping when killers stay close enough waiting for the unhook, forced camping when like you said, killers know there is a surv close waiting for the unhook or when another survivor is chased and choose to loop around the hook, end game camping when the door are open or 99, why would the killer should go walk the dog when he know that the game is over and the only pressure tool he have left is in the hook ?
You're right for slugging, tho its is not a toxic gameplay, its a pressure tool when gens fly and almost the only way to get a 4K. Also some killers are made for slugging and its the only way you can play them (Nurse, Twins etc...).
Bullying is pov aspect, some will consider FL save constantly as bullying tho its a survivors tool to defend a teamate, bullying is in the eye of the one that consider being bullied like IRL, some will consider joke as bullying when other will consider being beaten by their classmate as hazing.
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I didn't read the entire post but I'll believe the first person's comment. 😏
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Why do you limit the definition of bullying only too survivors? Killers can legitimately be bullies as well.
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My definitions are mostly the same, but I want to share what I see different.
Tunneling: I often play Freddy so BT is no problem (this needs to be changed honestly). If someone decides to farm off the hook and if I need the pressure, I will down the unhooked person (to deny the unhooker the safe unhook) but then go after the other one so their team has the opportunity to pick them up again (not his fault he got a dumb/greedy teammate). If they didn't do it in time, it's not my fault. I call this "Applying pressure".
Camping: If the Killer knows survivors are around (scratchmarks or if they insta unhooked before), I consider it not camping, even if a single Survivor is seen with BBQ. I call this "Hook defense". Pretty similar to what you said. If the killer positions himself right in front of your eyes (with chainsaw, hatchets or the gun) it's "Facecamping", even if it's a sniping Huntress or a Slinger on a hill nearby. Then there is, what I call teh "I want my 1 Kill" Camping. Solely done during the EGC against Survivors who were too strong for the killer.
Slugging: For me there is additionally "Necessary Slugging" and "Unnecessary Slugging". The first is usual when the survivors repair gens left and right or at the end of the game. Typically done when one gen is left or before the exit is opened. The killer aims to slugg all 4 people. The latter is usual at the beginning of the match with 1 gen repaired at most and often performed by high mobility killers like Billy, Nurse and Oni or with killers who have a fast chase like Huntress. This often includes the perks Infectious Fright and Monitor & Abuse as well. The survivors have 0 fun and depipp all.
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This.
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You’re the only one in this thread coming across as a baby with posts like this lol
They didn’t attack op or swear or throw a tantrum (like you just did), they asked a simple question. Not really that hard to understand.
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Why? By in large these concepts are entirely subjective, and hence worthless. These terms are of zero value to the community and just add more fuel to an already idiotic fire. Your point in defining them seems to be, like so many others, to lay judgement on the tactics chosen. The only valid reason to try and define them is for quick communication in a match. And that requires a "Team" using some sort of Comms. Let me give you some examples. If/when I play on a Team (I do Solo mostly), me and mine have specific terms that communicate a lot of information fast. It cuts down on what we have to say.
- Squatter: This is a Killer who stays point blank at the hook, making no attempt to hide and wants to maximize the ability to punish or prevent a save. I only need to say, "We have a Squatter," and my Team knows everything they need to make choices.
- Lurker: This is a Killer who stays very close to the hook, but hides from both the would-be rescuers and the person on the hook. They usually use both terrain and Perks. They don't want to discourage rescues; they are using bait.
- Camper: This Killer isn't staying right next to the hook. He/she is making a series of short range patrols, never going too far that they cannot get back quickly if they get a rescue notification, or see a Survivor making a rescue run. This allows the Killer to keep up some Generator pressure, and invites the most attempts at rescue.
My point is having the three definitions above serves an in-game purpose, i.e. allowing Survivors to know details, to adjust their tactics. It has value. I don't believe what YOU are wanting to do has value. It is just another attempt to codify the Survivor's Rulebook for Killers.
So again, I ask you WHY? What purpose are you seeking to serve? Most of the things you are intending to define or redefine have already been stated are valid, legal tactics that a Killer can choose to employ. That means they are legitimate and above our judgement. Only "Bullying" stands apart in your list, and we already know the definition of it. It is already against the rules. Being obnoxious is a reportable offense. Your very act of lumping Bullying in with legal tactics shows your bias too. Do you see my point?
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Survivor rulebook for Killers states
Camping is being on the same side of the map as the hooked survivor.
Tunneling is a) chasing a survivor longer than what the survivor feels is adequate. b) going after an unhooked survivor even if the killer already down and hooked another. (Killers must hook all four survivors before chasing the first again)
Slugging, not immediately picking up a survivor after downing them. ie, to refill hatchets, break a pallet, check for flashlight, check for nearby survivors if in a pallet, or chase another survivor that is clearly visible.
Bullying, when a killer prevents the completion of generators, stop the breaking of Hex totems, or trapping chest. Survivors cannot bully because they are not the power role.
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Kinda what i did cause i saw real harrassment irl and when people talk about bullying in a VG, its no sense to me.
But thats true i was a bit agressive in my answer cause i'm fed up people using this word lightly. Your question seemed more a rhetoric one to me but i may have assume too much the purpose of it and I apologize to you for.
Like i said myself, bullying is a pov thing, so anyone can see bullying in their own way. To me bullying don't even exist in VG (unless the guy relentlessly send you message and even that you can block it), bullying is a real life thing and can't be avoided, that why its linked to harrassment and can really harm people.
Now, maybe I'm ignorant in this matter so can you explain to me what bullying in this game mean to you, what behavior you consider harassement ? (killer & survivors side)
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I can understand your concerns of bullying and I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive as well.
I think to answer your questions bullying in video games can be equal to cyberbullying since it occurs on line rather then in person. To me a survivor bullies by teabagging nonstop at the killer, flashlight clicking, and saying hurtful things in the chat and messages. Killer bullying is blocking the survivors in a way so that they can't leave. Hitting a survivor while they are on the hook if they did not do anything. Certain killers can bully more then others so if your a Ghostface or Pig you can teabag. Slugging the survivors to make them bleedout instead of hooking them. And saying hurtful things in messages and chat.
In my opinion this is bullying, and both sides do it.
I should also mention that survivors can bully other survivors by bodyblocking them to get killed, farming them off hook, working with the killer, teabagging at them, stealing their items and making noise by them in order to get the killer to where they are.
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No you don't have to apologize, its my ######### post who put you in this position and unlike the other sjw troll who were answering, you were very polite and civilized in your answer and I'm sure you understand as well as me what real bullying can be.
Tho its true cyberbullying can be a thing cause social network have repercussion in the real life, VG is another thing I think (but I can be wrong).
What you descibe, I consider it more as a "Toxic" gameplay/use of mechanics, especially t-bagging (both side), hitting people on hook, sandbagging and playing with the killer as survivors also that trash talking in the end game chat but its not really bullying cause you can immediatly move on after the game and there is almost no chance you play with/face them again soon, bullying/harassment is constant and not a one-time thing unless all people in the game do the same but I don't think all killers/survivors are toxic (in my experience), its a minority of player in this game who do this things and some not even in a toxic way cause the lack of communication between the 2 role (clicky clicky and sometime t-bagging are a way to aggro the killer as nodding for the killer can be a way to say wp/nice chase or i'll give you hatch if you don't wiggle).
I apologize again to you for taking it out on you.
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I can agree that those actions are toxic. But I think what's best in determining what's bullying is the negative effect it has on people. Bullying weather it's online or not has really psychology and physical effects on the person. And this game can have some nasty effects on people. You ever had a killer game in which the survivors were so toxic you felt bad or wanted to stop playing, or a survivor game in which the killer was being toxic that you decided to be toxic to the next killer? Or even had someone insult you in the chat that made you feel angry? The effect of the toxic behavior from the survivor or killer, or in a broader sense the opposing side in a video game is why I would consider it Bullying. In short its Bullying if the toxic behavior has a negative impact on you in anyway.
And thank you for not calling me sjw I actually really appreciate it.
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Yeah i get you, the "cycle of toxicity" like I call it. And I can agree that it can have a impact on people who take games too seriously or discourage new players to keep playing it.
Tho I tend to laugh inside when people are toxic in VG towards me, I understand it can not being felt that way by other people, and I respect your pov in this matter, it can in fact been perceived as "bullying" behaviors.
But in my experience as high rank killer (I play sometime survivor but not much), I feel there is almost no such behavior in the survivors high skilled community, it happens but very rarely. The only kinda "toxic" behavior I met on regular basis is that the last surv will stay on hatch and tbag/making noises till you're close enough instead of just escaping and ending the game.
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correct! thanks for pointing out. But the only thing killers can do to bm, basically shake their heads and hit you on hook. So im not in position to accurately describe the ''killers being bullied''
can you give your own definition to assist me?
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Earlier i said bodyblocking a survivor in a spot to prevent them from moving and playing the game, slugging survivors and intentionally not picking them up in order to let them bleedout, and certain killers can bully more then others like Ghostface and pig who can teabag at survivors,( if its toxic for survivors to do it then killers shouldn't do it either), willingly working with survivors to gang up on and kill other survivors, and being hurtful and mean in the chat.
These things in my opinion is also bullying.
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I believe that since these are legit strategies they should be defined. i do see your point, after all i did vote your message up.
'' Your point in defining them seems to be, like so many others, to lay judgement on the tactics chosen.'' i believe this is incorrect. i wanna avoid confusion, mostly, but i do admit that i wanna justify my actions more easily vs toxic survivors, so a definition will make things quicker.
''quick communication in a match'' also correct, i suppose.
But basically what you proposed are also definitions, arent they? So if mine dont have values, doesnt it apply to yours as well?
''Most of the things you are intending to define or redefine have already been stated are valid, legal tactics that a Killer can choose to employ''
Youre so incorrect on the first one. They dont have a clear definition at ALL. Scott has made an interesting video about this, i suggest checking it out. I dont believe any of this should be reportable, ive made a post myself declaring that some months ago.
and i never said that the killer SHOULDNT employ these tactics, did i? I just dont want to be called a filthy camper when i follow the survivor rule book.
but i do thank you for your feedback :)
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Tunneling = ignoring everyone else and everything else except one person until they are out of the game.
Example, I down and hook a survivor. They get unhooked. I go after them and down them again and hook them again. They get unhooked again and I down them and kill them on the 3rd hook.
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isnt this considered hardcore tunneling?
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ffs when i mean ''bullying'' i dont mean changing the word irl, i obviously mean ingame. I dont ######### redifine irl words, i define the usage in dbd. i didnt think i had to make this clear.
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Fair enough, and I appreciate you taking the time to elaborate on your intention, i.e. goal. I still submit that my terms are different because they are for specific, in-game use. I give them out as examples, but ultimately they only have value for someone playing in a Team w/Comms. In the end, while I can understand (and even appreciate) the goal you stated, I'm going to point out that even when things do have a clear meaning, people apply them for other purposes, i.e. to judge, shame, and manipulate other Players. It is why I'm not sure there is a value outside of communications in a match.
For example, I've been accused of tunneling and camping even in matches where I gave everyone THREE hooks (very hard to do today) and never did the same person in a row. I never staid by a single hook. :) I was called these things merely because I won the match. Thus, I don't really see the need in creating or perpetuating such terms because they never get used correctly even if they are defined.
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Thanks for understanding <3
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This is the definition of tunneling.
Everything else is ppl trying to add on to the definition of tunneling to include a wider scope of situations.
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I do understand, and i think its hardcore tunneling :)
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Obviously I know you don't mean changing the word in real life. I was having a conversation with a guy about bullying and video games and whether or not it it considered bullying. I wasn't even talking to you.
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oops, apologies. It seems both of you edited your comments and got confused
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excuse me i cannot understand what you mean
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There is no such thing as "Hardcore tunelling", there is tunneling as I gave you the definition wich is the most accepted one (I didn't write it myself, it's how pro-player and most of the community of DBD see it), what you define is called playing the game and use the mistake/greedyness of the team to apply pressure, like I already said, if the unhooker didn't wait till the killer is far enough/in another chase to unhook you or you heal under the hook till the killer came back, there is no reason for the killer to not get a free down and chase the other, getting 2 surv off gens instead of one (unless being very kind or dont feel the need to apply pressure to obvious weak players).
But like "The_Bootie_Gorgon" said :
Some people call everything "tunnel" to cover their poor playing/mistake or just because they are salty to loose. Real tunneling must be very rare but i can't speak on this cause I must have less than 25% of my whole time playing this game as survivor.
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It's not set in stone people will have different views on the words. "Tunneling" can just be an excuses for losing a game for example. And some might say camping is a survivor sitting for more than 20 seconds on the same gen.
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