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New matchmaking will use average group MMR for SWF
Do you think it's fair?
Let's be honest, people do play better and get ranks easier playing SWF. Voice comms boost your chances to survive no matter you're playing competitively or for fun
SWF needs some MMR bonus so killers are stronger for groups. Let's say you have 700 mmr and your teammate is 800. That's 750 average, But since you're playing duo matchmaker adds another 100 so your average mmr counts as 850 for matchmaker. And it adds even more for 3 and 4 survivors so killers you play against are stronger. I think that's more fair then just use your average MMR
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As it stands right now SWF matchmaking doesn't use the average rank of the group, but the rank of the highest ranking survivor in the group for matchmaking. I presume it would use the MMR of the survivor with the highest MMR when we switch from ranks over to MMR for matchmaking.
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How are you so certain they are using the average? Can’t really remember them talking about that.
and just to add something: not every voice comm is boosting the chances of the SWF, I have played with some friends that were not as familiar with the game and the info they gave me were so wrong that it actually hindered us, also many times when I told them something they misunderstood or didn’t know what to do with that info. But granted, that was with very inexperienced people so overall I agree they need to factor in SWF playing.
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They were talking about that. That's why i made this post
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Whats wrong with the average? The Killer will have Survivors who are better than the Killer, but also Survivors where he can capitalize because they are worse.
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Voice comms boost your chances to survive no matter you're playing competitively or for fun, so survivors are always in better position if only average mmr counts
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Yeah, but you are basically asking that the Survivors will face a Killer who is better than them. So, even IF SWF boosts MMR (you dont know that at all, since you dont know what affects MMR), this means the Survivors are already matched above their individual Skill Level. But still you want a Killer who has an even higher MMR, meaning Killers should face SWFs which are weaker than them.
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I'm sure it will work just as well as the current system at matching Killers with SWF.
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In the end, the new MMR propably won´t change much. Due to the severe qeue imbalances, the results will be pretty much the same. It will first search for a more or less fitting Killer, but swiftly expand to "anything goes" just like it does currently.
Also, every additional SWF member needs to increase the MMR for the matchmaking (for the off chance it does work). SWF is not cheating, it doesn´t make bad Survivors good, but it makes any group way better. I think people tend to forget that being in a group using comms gives like 10 aura reading perks to everybody without costing a single perk slot. It also boosts the coordination way above the average solo group.
To make up for the inhirent advantages, adding an MMR multiplier is really the least they can do.
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Yeah but where did they talk about this? A recent dev stream or a dev blogpost or something? Not saying i don’t believe you, I am just interested in the whole statement
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They answered mmr questions long time ago. Someboydy asked how SWF mmr will work and the answer was just average number for now
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this is basically as bad as 3 red ranks with a rank 17 smurf to get easy killers. I guess this game is about to begin it's slow bleed of players. but that's the rude awakening the devs will need. hopefully the evil dead game is decent at least. I will never touch killer again in dbd I think, and if survivor queue is over 5 minutes I won't touch survivor either and it doesn't look like I can reasonably expect survivor queues to be less than ten minutes any longer. I guess I should at least uninstall it from ps5 tonight to free the space, I can leave it on steam much longer with plenty of drives since I already moved it back to hdd from an ssd so it can still sit there for a while. By the end of the year I'll permanently remove it and hide it in my steam library if the devs have still not pulled their heads out of their arses. I should have known better than to stay after seeing the same old behavior from behavior 4 years later. That is some very bad behavior.
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it boosts chances but not that much, its super easy to catch bad survivors, and even easier to punish other survs for helping them like pushing that surv into dead zone, and hooking them in the middle of nowhere, and now tell me how "better" friend can save them without dying?
i guess main point for you is telling "i have killer on me, do gens" but thats what survs should do anyways (even without that info) i wish my random teammates didnt hide in corners RIGHT AFTER GAME STARTS
but again, just catch gen bots and punish others for helping them, or when you hook good friends you can catch bad survs
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Well MMR is probably harder to manipulate than Ranking. That's probably why they take the average instead. It also makes sense not to go the route to take the MMR of the strongest survivor, because one strong survivor can't carry the game entirely. Time will tell how good the MMR will work out. I honestly don't think it barely will change anything to be honest.
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it boosts chances but not that much, so boost their MMR, but not very much. BHVR has stats so they exactly know how much SWF is stronger and how much boost they need
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they can if they can loop an easy killer for 3 gens and that killer is too new or stubborn to let up on them. but even if they do, that swf will probably make sure the killer never finds anybody except their strong looper anyways. that's the whole point of them trying to gete asy killers which the devs are helping them continue doing so those swf keep buying new skins. This is why I hate premades more than even lootboxes in modern online games. They ruin the experience for others and get pandered to by greedy devs and publishers. I hope this game dies this year finally.
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If the MMR doesn't help me as a killer. I don't think this game is in my future at all.
I'm hoping the game goes as followed on MMR. Just use it like the old style to see what I mean.
Rank 1, 2, 6, 19 survivors. I'm hoping MMR actually goes off the rank 1 survivor so that you get a really beastly killer and not go for the average of the group an give a rank 11 killer. This is what's costing the game killers and players. It keeps giving survivor with 3,000 hours to killers that only have a level 15 killer with 4 basic perks.
so basically put that into new MMR system.
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The matchmaking should always go off of the higher MMR SWF member imo. If they average it, people will keep complaining about getting survivors that are too good and more experienced. People playing killer shouldn't be punished for it. It isn't fun for an average or newer killer player to face a SWF with 2 average players and 2 good survivors for example. The 2 good survivors are going to smash on the killer easily. The survivors are choosing to play SWF. The killer can't choose to not face the higher MMR more experienced survivor players.
With that said, it isn't fun for new or average survivors to face good experienced killers, but they are choosing to play SWF. This is why SWF is flawed. You can't balance it. Either you have new and average killers facing experienced survivors when they SWF with average MMR survivors, or you have new and average survivors facing good killers when they SWF with higher MMR friends. It is unfair for both sides.
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shhhh let them ruin their game, I'm finding discussions about the game more entertaining than the game itself these days as with plenty other games
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If a team is capable to stealth that strong, than there is also some skill involved. Those won't probably not be on "newbie" levels of play, that means that their average would already start higher than that. Besides that play will lead in a rise in MMR for each survivor in the swf. Closing the gap to their higher ranked friend. So facing stronger killers, that won't fall for that.
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One of my first 3 matches after returning to this game after almost 4 years, shortly after pyramidhead came out, I had 3 red ranks with a high teens in their group and they pulled every annoying trick in the book on me. 2 had fleshlights, they all body blocked so I had a hard time downing and would keep reviving each other so I had a hard time keeping more than one down at a time and it was annoying af. That was the exact third match in, after not playing for four years I wasn't even rank 18 yet at that time iirc. They abused the matchmaking by 3 main accounts and one smurf account is what I realized. They weren't even doing gens, they were solely set out to screw with me. Once they maxed their chase and co-op they finally started doing gens and I'd just left it sitting by that time no longer entertaining them. I dc at the last second as they were all running into an open gate since my recollection (after not playing for almost four years) was that i was going to screw them out of items, addons, and all those points they got in the match (lol).
The way they are going to handle mmr from what I read, is it is going to be just as easily exploited by swf and smurf accounts and so is therefore pointless for anybody except for solo survivors for mmr to even exist maybe. They need to mm based off of the highest skilled players in the groups, considering they already get free voip perks anyways with voip being the most busted perk in the entire game when used well. Killers will still put up with the same bs in the end anyways. Each night I played killer and at least 3 or 4 matches, I always ran into at least one match like this. There were a few bad nights where it happened many times in a row even and those were the times I called it a night or only played survivor the rest of the night. Unless they confirm swf will mm based on the highests killed player or two players in the group I will never play killer again,, ever. Unless it's afk of course.
Nothing else will ever change my mind about it and I will never pay for a dlc in money ever again, will only use sharts to get the survivor if I like the look or want their perks and will have no interest in future killers ever no matter what they are or what their perks do until swf is dealt with. If they start pumping out more licensed dlc if they notice enough people doing that to have an excuse to make you use money and buyt he kilelr just to get the survivor, I'll just ignore those survivors too is all if I'm still even playing any more by then. I already went 4 years without playing, and expected never to again until I heard about the vault bamboozle and removal of infinites, I could easily go back to not touching this game and considering it trash again. Especially since I seem to often enjoy the discussions around it more than the game itself.
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Swf should always use highest MMR for group or even add to it to account for their synergy. The idea of using an average will just allow the group's smurf players to bypass the whole point of the system. Survivors can dominate a killer, making the match miserable, and still kill themselves to keep the MMR low.
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Because one good Survivor can destroy a mediocre Killer.
Let's take my SWF group for example. My buddy and I are Rank 1 and my two other friends are Rank 12 and Rank 10 respectively. If you use the average system (for Ranks but its just an example) we will probably get a Rank 12-ish Killer. Someone who doesn't really understand how to play against good Survivors yet.
That's going to give that Killer a miserable experience and they have NO choice. If you go into a Red Rank SWF right now, and you are a low rank, you KNOW you are gonna play against really good Killers. With the average system, the Killer doesn't get a choice and that makes the whole experience feel even worse for them.
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they also have stats with higher kill ratio than they want, are you sure you want them to pull that off haha (on literally every killer)
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Yeah, but lets say the Killer is Rank 9 and facing 2 Rank 1s and 2 Rank 19s. If the Killer goes for the higher-ranked Survivors, this is his own fault, he can capitalize on the Rank 19s. Obviously, this is with current Matchmaking so there is no guarantee that the Rank 19s are "real" Rank 19s, but with MMR it will be harder to go against weaker opponents by "deranking".
And if I look at your example, the Average of 1+1+12+10 is not 12, it is 6, which is a difference, even if if is a small one. Like I said, according to Ranks, this Killer has two strong(er) Survivors and two weak(er) Survivors where he can capitalize on. He might not win a chase against the Rank 1s, but against the Rank 10 and Rank 12 it is completely possible and killing those will make it harder for the Rank 1s as well.
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Ah, my mistake bad math.
However, SWF DOES offer advantages over Solo Q and as such, should face higher MMR Killers.
Perhaps I feel too strongly on the subject, since my first ever game was...fun.
3 Rank 1's and a Rank 20 Claudette. Pretty awful experience and I do not wish it on anyone else.
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And what percentage of swf are like that, if you had to guess? 0,0001%? Or less?
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if that makes you feel better..
(but actually i most SWFs are just casually playing, not every SWF is a SweatSquad, I am a bad killer player but I get many SWFs that don’t seem to be super coordinated)
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But almost every swf profits from communication, its very rare that communication hinders the teamplay, and that was your example.
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