Is Spine chill to strong?

it's fine as it is.

When people go and say 'oh woe is me it counters all stealth killers' I wonder what their game's SC does. Because when I play it light up if the killer looks in my direction from a certain distance.

It does not tell where exactly they are, who it is etc. One still needs to look around to try and spot them AND SC adds an additional 'distraction' from skillchecks, which are already a little harder due to it (if the killer looks at you)

Seriously.

SC has a radius of 36, Whispers one of 32, so, while, yeah, Survs know someone's looking at them before the killer knows there's a survivor nearby, just like whispers it does NOT tell the exact location.

And the arguments that it counters stealthkillers only works if you don't even try to stay out of the line of side of survivors.

Also, practical experience has shown that survivors don't really look around, SC or not (do you know how often I stood right behind a survivor opening a chest/doing a totem or gen and they just didn't realize... as if there was not heartbeat, music or stain...)

So let me get this straight. You don't want Spinechill to be nerfed because you're paranoid without it? That makes it clear that you rely way to much on. Learn to listen to audio cues instead of relying on a perk to let you know the killer is coming.

Playing stealth ain't fun with this.

Michael can be heard with his heavy panting mouth breathing from a different floor and Ghost's cloak noisily billows in the wind like an anime protagonist. Wraith snarls like a dog. They're all very loud.

Give you information if the killer is coming/looking in your direction. Gives a speed boost in many actions and can be paired with Resilience for a vault speed increase during chases.

I don't think it needs a nerf or rework but counterplay.

I could care less. I barely use it unless i pair it with premonition. makes it pretty good to use.

Idk but it should just not detect the killer when he's undetectable

Personally, I think they should change it in one of three ways.

1. The perk doesn't work when the Killer is undetectable. This would make it easier to play stealth Killers, but would render the perk almost useless.
2. The perk has a cooldown (think Premonition). This could work, but the cooldown would have to be quite short for the perk to be useful.
3. The perk's range should be narrowed, so it only activates when the Killer is looking directly at the Survivor. Maybe when the Survivor is in the middle 15-20% of the Killer's screen. This would let stealth Killers sneak up on Survivors, but they'd have to be careful not to stare too much.

I voted "no", for simple reason : its still lackluster perk. That's probably why you dont see it often on higher ranks. I mean : why would i take this perk over... lets say "sprint"? With sprint i can wait till i see you, then run away (probably forcing you to attack, missing hit and leaving you even more behind - happens more often than not). Lets add some healing perk (bond/self care/inner strength) and thats all i need for myself. The other 2 perks i sacrifice for the team (babysitter, borrowed time or something).

And that's my point - spine chill is perk for your own survival... and even then you have better choices. Its like Third Seal - good perk on paper, but in reality its kinda wasting a slot bcs there are better options

I voted NO as it's my most used Survivor perk, but...as handy as it is, I wouldn't be totally lost without.

As a 50/50, I can understand Spine Chill being somewhat irritating. When you approach a half fixed gen, and the survivors are long gone.

It would be interesting to see how effective it would be if it only activated when you were on your own, ie not multiples on a gen. As it stands now, if only one survivor has it equipped and they suddenly cease fixing a gen...all the other fixers are also potentially immediately alerted. But then the issue with Myers and GhostFace is that if there was no way of SC activating whilst doing group tasks, they could potentially fill their stalk tiers up easily. The survivors would have to rely on their manual observations to look out for those two, and GhostFace can be particularly tricky to spot.

I would say keep it how it is. Much like BBQ&C, it's an effective perk but altering it would make it useless.

then it would literally be pointless? Spine chill is basically just a substitute to hearing the heartbeat for stealth killer. It doesn’t tell you the direction or make you invisible. If you run you lead the killer right to you and if you hide you can’t get far- a good killer will catch you 99% of the time.

It’s not like it’s used for toxic gameplay. I imagine most people use it because they are not strong at chases.

and it can backfire very easily if you run away only to run straight into the killer.

Just my opinion though.

Nice whataboutism.

1. Good Spirits do use grass to track survivors.
2. Spirit can't see blood unless she's running Father Glasses.
3. Most times survivors walk to avoid leaving scratchmarks, meaning The Spirit can only look out for grass and use her ears.

I'm not saying Stridor Spirit is balanced, but comparing a perk that is only good on one killer, to a perk that is useful against every killer in the game is a stupid comparison.

Stridor Spirits do use their eyes and ears, it only makes it easier to hear survivors.

The reason why I listed off sound cues, was because one guy said that Spinechill was the only to counter stealth killers, and that they don't have sound cues, which is incorrect.

This thread is about if Spinechill needed to be nerfed, not about Spirit using Stridor. I like how you said I was the one who missed the point.

Are u guys serious this perks give only a small boost on it´s own.

It´s not even useful when hitboxes or latency is on killers side, which is the case way to often.

Have you ever felt someone else's presence without first seeing them? Like you just knew someone was up ahead? I have many times, especially when we go camping. I see spine chill as perfect the way it is. Stealth killers would be a total nightmare without it. Plus it's not like everyone is going to run spine chill all the time. I use stealth killers a lot and i don't get bothered by it. Maybe you've just had a string of bad luck?

Also if you are going to rework SC then you may as well rework every perk that allows the killer to see survivors. Hell let's do away with perks and just go at it. Killer vs survivors. No perks. No groups, ban groups from que together and have some good old fashioned fun lol

simply don't look in their direction

It's honestly fine as it is. I play Ghostface frequently and I don't see the problem with it.

But personally - I would remove the increased vault speed. That's the only thing that bugs me in chases. Survivors on red ranks use SC primarily for this reason.

exactly. thanks