Billy's "Lack-of-Skill"-Saw

@AntiJelly said:
Personally every time I face a Hillbilly and he hits a chainsaw hit on me, it feels really unfair. Just an immediate end to the chase, no challenge at all. Even when you try to dodge (360 spins, fake outs, etc), the big ol' chainsaw hitbox hits you. Then, when I play Billy, I almost never hit my chainsaw, but he is my one of my 3 least played killers, so there's that. I play Xbox, which runs at about 20 fps, so there's also that. I propose a change to his power:

• Remove the whip. The whip can let the Hillbilly do some crazy weird things with his chainsaw that don't make sense sometimes. Once the saw is fully charged, he has the limited sensitivity the whole time. The Hillbilly shouldn't have leeway on an instadown power, it should require good timing and aiming.

• When the Hillbilly does hit the survivor with his chainsaw, instead of instadowning, it trigger the bleedout effect, like borrowed time. The survivor has 30 seconds of bleedout before they are put into the dying state. His power is a little too powerful for being a map pressure power, and an instadown power, and he has 115% movement speed. The bleedout would still give about the same pressure, but still require the Hillbilly to participate in chases.

Again, constructive criticism, thoughts, and mild banter is welcome.

maybe not nerf the chainsaw but his movement speed and base stats. make him moere reliant on th chainsaw to force players to git gud at him.

@friendlykillermain said:

@AntiJelly said:
Personally every time I face a Hillbilly and he hits a chainsaw hit on me, it feels really unfair. Just an immediate end to the chase, no challenge at all. Even when you try to dodge (360 spins, fake outs, etc), the big ol' chainsaw hitbox hits you. Then, when I play Billy, I almost never hit my chainsaw, but he is my one of my 3 least played killers, so there's that. I play Xbox, which runs at about 20 fps, so there's also that. I propose a change to his power:

• Remove the whip. The whip can let the Hillbilly do some crazy weird things with his chainsaw that don't make sense sometimes. Once the saw is fully charged, he has the limited sensitivity the whole time. The Hillbilly shouldn't have leeway on an instadown power, it should require good timing and aiming.

• When the Hillbilly does hit the survivor with his chainsaw, instead of instadowning, it trigger the bleedout effect, like borrowed time. The survivor has 30 seconds of bleedout before they are put into the dying state. His power is a little too powerful for being a map pressure power, and an instadown power, and he has 115% movement speed. The bleedout would still give about the same pressure, but still require the Hillbilly to participate in chases.

Again, constructive criticism, thoughts, and mild banter is welcome.

maybe not nerf the chainsaw but his movement speed and base stats. make him moere reliant on th chainsaw to force players to git gud at him.

I agree with this, I bloody hate the fact that when he starts his chainsaw sprint he can whip his saw in any direction and he takes NO skill whatsoever to use

@My_Dude said:

@alivebydeadight said:

@friendlykillermain said:

@AntiJelly said:
Personally every time I face a Hillbilly and he hits a chainsaw hit on me, it feels really unfair. Just an immediate end to the chase, no challenge at all. Even when you try to dodge (360 spins, fake outs, etc), the big ol' chainsaw hitbox hits you. Then, when I play Billy, I almost never hit my chainsaw, but he is my one of my 3 least played killers, so there's that. I play Xbox, which runs at about 20 fps, so there's also that. I propose a change to his power:

• Remove the whip. The whip can let the Hillbilly do some crazy weird things with his chainsaw that don't make sense sometimes. Once the saw is fully charged, he has the limited sensitivity the whole time. The Hillbilly shouldn't have leeway on an instadown power, it should require good timing and aiming.

• When the Hillbilly does hit the survivor with his chainsaw, instead of instadowning, it trigger the bleedout effect, like borrowed time. The survivor has 30 seconds of bleedout before they are put into the dying state. His power is a little too powerful for being a map pressure power, and an instadown power, and he has 115% movement speed. The bleedout would still give about the same pressure, but still require the Hillbilly to participate in chases.

Again, constructive criticism, thoughts, and mild banter is welcome.

maybe not nerf the chainsaw but his movement speed and base stats. make him moere reliant on th chainsaw to force players to git gud at him.

I agree with this, I bloody hate the fact that when he starts his chainsaw sprint he can whip his saw in any direction and he takes NO skill whatsoever to use

Try playing BIlly and timing that whip right without turning Add-Ons.

Let me know how it goes.

I never use turning add-ons on billy

@friendlykillermain yeah this is the second best killer in dbd and he takes no skill in the chase to down somebody and no skill to find somebody outside of chase, at least nurse takes skill to learn and use

@AntiJelly said:
Personally every time I face a Hillbilly and he hits a chainsaw hit on me, it feels really unfair. Then, when I play Billy, I almost never hit my chainsaw.

I'm not sure what point you were trying to get across but you completely contradicted yourself by saying this.

@se05239 said:

@Orion said:

@AntiJelly said:

@friendlykillermain said:
maybe not nerf the chainsaw but his movement speed and base stats. make him moere reliant on th chainsaw to force players to git gud at him.

I honestly think that NO killer should have 110% movement speed. Powers should be adjusted to fit the 115% movement speed base.

The Nurse and Killers with ranged attacks should be slower than M1 Killers. This adds a layer of complexity to the game.

I remember back when some Nurse players just chased survivors down rather than blink, since they moved faster than survivors. Good old times.

She could still work as an M1 Killer back then, so her skill floor was lower. Now, however, you either git gud or you lose.

Instead of nefing the killers that are viable buff all the others

Basically remove his skill aspect and turn him completely into M1lly, because you can neither hit or dodge chainsaws. No thanks.

Just revert his controls to release state, he was perfect back then, except the flick could use the controls of the current whip. Tighten up the hitbox, so its really hard to hit survivors.

He'd have the old stiff whip and the old stiff turning and at the end, he can do the flick which controls like the current whip. That would combine all the hard aspects of billy and please every billy player (old billys rejoice and new billys can still benefit from their current billy skills).
There's so many cool options for billy rework.

@AntiJelly said:
My point is that he is much too easy to pick up and start playing. I have 1,000+ hours in the game and the only reason I can't play him is because Xbox has 20 fps and it causes a LOT of misses. I've seen way too many people playing Billy and it just feels unfair to be hit by it.

My guy. If you are playing on Xbox. So are all the Billys that are killing you. He is not that easy to just pick up and kill people with, you cant do it and everyone you are playing with has no advantage over you. Learn to play Billy and then come up with adjustments if you still think they are necessary.